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Deepcrush wrote:Ask the kid if they want to live or die. Its really simple as far as I see it.

Children are not mentally competent to make such important decisions - their brains are still developing and their judgement isn't good enough. If you're talking 16+ then there's room for debate but before then important decisions, including withholding lifesaving treatment, are the responsibility of their parents, or the state if the parents are demonstrably incompetent to do so.

Deepcrush wrote:Ask the kid if they want to live or die. Its really simple as far as I see it.

If the kid's five years old then it's hardly competant to make decisions like this.

Graham summed up my own view nicely. Feel free to believe what you want, and feel free to teach your kids about your beliefs. I may disagree with those beliefs, but you're perfectly free to practice and teach them, as it should be.
When those beliefs start to bring harm - and perhaps death - to another living creature, though, then you've got a problem.

Maybe concerns of life are valued less in Europe. But when I was five, I already knew most the things in my area that could kill me and I knew I didn't want it to happen.

So, very simple. Of course you can feel free to disagree since not everyone wants to live.

Yeah, I'm in the same boat as deep, when I was 6 I understood death as well as my beliefs and wouldn't have agreed to the operation due to my beliefs.

I strongly doubt ANY 6 year old is prepared to make serious life or death choices.

Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, I'm in the same boat as deep, when I was 6 I understood death as well as my beliefs and wouldn't have agreed to the operation due to my beliefs.

With no offense intended, this sounds distinctly like Indoctrination. When I was 6, I was far too happy eating flowerbeds to be concerned with religion.

Even if that is so, you can't make policies based on a handful of people. The overwhelming majority of five year olds are not competant to make such a decision. They'll just do what their parents tell them, and trust it's right.

And, needless to say, the entire concept of giving the kid choice goes out the window if said child is two or three.

Well yeah, up til about 5 the kid barely knows what the world around him is.

Reliant121 wrote:With no offense intended, this sounds distinctly like Indoctrination. When I was 6, I was far too happy eating flowerbeds to be concerned with religion.

Yeah, and I was interested in religion since I can remember. My family has been quite religious since forever, and I believed that it was right, I guess based on my parents, but I would have said no to it without my parents being in the room with me.

I don't care what continent they're from, young children are not judged competent to make decisions for themselves by any sane society. If their parents won't act in their best interests then courts should.

Nickswitz wrote:Yeah, and I was interested in religion since I can remember. My family has been quite religious since forever, and I believed that it was right, I guess based on my parents, but I would have said no to it without my parents being in the room with me.

Which pretty much confirms Reliant's impression. If you think you were competent to make life or death decisions (as opposed to parroting back religious dogma) at five years old then you're an idiot.

Nickswitz wrote: Yeah, and I was interested in religion since I can remember. My family has been quite religious since forever, and I believed that it was right, I guess based on my parents, but I would have said no to it without my parents being in the room with me.

so how would you compare yourself with a Christian Scientist? do you think all things are actually spiritual in nature and that anything that appears to be material is actually misinterpreted?

The piman wrote:so how would you compare yourself with a Christian Scientist? do you think all things are actually spiritual in nature and that anything that appears to be material is actually misinterpreted?

Um... no, theres a huge difference between interested in religion and stupid...

If someone came to me and said no, that tree isn't really a tree, it's a spirit being I would look him in the eye and call him a total moron.

I don't know how this had anything to do with what I said either...

Nickswitz wrote: Um... no, theres a huge difference between interested in religion and stupid...

If someone came to me and said no, that tree isn't really a tree, it's a spirit being I would look him in the eye and call him a total moron.

I don't know how this had anything to do with what I said either...

Christian Science would say the same things that you said about staying away from the whole blood treatments idea. I was curious to see how far in other directions you would take it.

Ok, well the reason behind us not taking blood is because the Bible says refrain from blood... therefore we don't take blood. I'm not sure about Christian scientists at all personally, I've never looked into them...

Nickswitz wrote:Ok, well the reason behind us not taking blood is because the Bible says refrain from blood... therefore we don't take blood.

And if the bible told you to take a pickaxe to someone's head?