USS Excalibur

[Sionnach Glic]

Then there'd definitely be extensive damage.

[Mikey]

There are other possibilities. Incapacitating damge to the life-support systems would do it, obviously, as would a decks-wide hull breach along with problems with the ship's containment capacity. Major repairs would be necessary, of course, but with less labor/resources involved than constructing a brnad-new vessel.

[Captain Seafort]

Incapacitating damge to the life-support systems would do it, obviously

I'm not sure if it would - the ship's volume is great enough to give at least some of the crew time to get into spacesuits and/or emergency shelters. There'd certainly be casualties, but I doubt the entire crew would be lost.

as would a decks-wide hull breach along with problems with the ship's containment capacity.

Damage extensive enough to kill the entire crew would wreck the ship's structural integrity - it'd have to be completely rebuilt.

Major repairs would be necessary, of course, but with less labor/resources involved than constructing a brnad-new vessel.

Not necessarilly - Sir Tristram took as long to rebuild as Sir Galahad took from scratch, and she wasn't anywhere near as badly damaged as Excalibur apparently was.

[Mikey]

I'm not sure if it would - the ship's volume is great enough to give at least some of the crew time to get into spacesuits and/or emergency shelters. There'd certainly be casualties, but I doubt the entire crew would be lost.

OK, I'll buy that.

Damage extensive enough to kill the entire crew would wreck the ship's structural integrity - it'd have to be completely rebuilt.

That one's a little muddy on either side, so I won't persist.

Not necessarilly - Sir Tristram took as long to rebuild as Sir Galahad took from scratch, and she wasn't anywhere near as badly damaged as Excalibur apparently was.

I can't accept that as a valid analogy. You're comparing apples to stop signs as far as the tech, scope, and degree of labor-intensiveness of starship construction. The most liberal outlook I can give you on that point is "there's no way of knowing."

[Aaron]

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I can't accept that as a valid analogy. You're comparing apples to stop signs as far as the tech, scope, and degree of labor-intensiveness of starship construction. The most liberal outlook I can give you on that point is "there's no way of knowing."

You know they were seriously talking about scrapping Cole after she got that hole in her side in Yemen?

Traditionally it takes about the same amount of work and funds to rebuild a severely damamged ship as it does for new construction. That said, we don't have any idea of the damage Excaliber recieved, for all we know she went up in a caontainment loss.

[Mark]

There are other possibilities. Incapacitating damge to the life-support systems would do it, obviously, as would a decks-wide hull breach along with problems with the ship's containment capacity. Major repairs would be necessary, of course, but with less labor/resources involved than constructing a brnad-new vessel.

Would knocking out life support cause "instant" death for the crew? I can't see how, unless MOST of the ship was breached and exposed to the vaccum of space, sucking all remaining heat and air out. Shouldn't be possible without almost completely destroying the ship in the process. If such was the case the very space frame would likely be to damaged to do anything with, don't you think?

[Mikey]

Yes, yes, Seafort already beat me up on that point. I can man-up and admit I was wrong.

[Mark]

Ooops, sorry. Must have read through it (before morning coffee).

[Teaos]

You could get a power surge that blows everything in the ship up, spraying the whole crew with shrapnel...

[Aaron]

You could get a power surge that blows everything in the ship up, spraying the whole crew with shrapnel...

Yeah, that stuff didn't really happen till TNG. In fact in Where No Man Has Gone Before a console shorts out in the classic electrical fashion and again in Balance Of Terror. I can't recall a single TNGesque explosion in the series.

[Teaos]

A warp core Radiation leak might, like the one seen in STV, but those are usually contained easily.

[Aaron]

A warp core Radiation leak might, like the one seen in STV, but those are usually contained easily.

Maybe, that's something else we didn't see in TOS: the explodo core.

[KuvahMagh]

A warp core Radiation leak might, like the one seen in STV, but those are usually contained easily.

Maybe, that's something else we didn't see in TOS: the explodo core.

That just proves that Scotty was a better engineer than the blind guy or the emotional half klingon... I'll take people who should not be allowed near a M/AM reaction for $1000...

[Mark]

Hey yeah! I just realized that. How many times did E-D or Voyager blow up during the course of the show from some catastophy or other. With Scotty to back him, Kirk didn't let anything happen to his ship, until he killed it himself (again, he couldn't have done it without Scotty)

[Mark]

I guess if the enviornmental systems were damaged somehow they could have flooded the ship with some chemical instantly fatal. Like a smoke in the cockpit kind of thing.