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Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:14 am
by Mikey
ChakatBlackstar wrote:Maybe it's some sort of martial arts technique that creates a shock through the actual nerves, rather then the nervus system itself. One of the things we've seen in almost if not all species is the ability to feel sensations on their skin, like pain. The 'nerve pinch' could send this 'pinch' through the nerves that way rather then a specific point. The neck/face area may be the best locations in general as they tend to be near the brain which tends to be in the head.
Yes, but requiring locality to the brain means that the central nervous system must be involved; which involvement your first sentence says isn't necessary.
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:04 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Mikey wrote:ChakatBlackstar wrote:Maybe it's some sort of martial arts technique that creates a shock through the actual nerves, rather then the nervus system itself. One of the things we've seen in almost if not all species is the ability to feel sensations on their skin, like pain. The 'nerve pinch' could send this 'pinch' through the nerves that way rather then a specific point. The neck/face area may be the best locations in general as they tend to be near the brain which tends to be in the head.
Yes, but requiring locality to the brain means that the central nervous system must be involved; which involvement your first sentence says isn't necessary.
I'm sorry, it was the middle of the night so I guess I wasn't thinking my post through. What I was trying to say was that the outer nerves were the key, not the system itself, since I doubt all species have a centralized system like humans do. So it's not so much a nerve pinch as a nerve punch I guess. Am I making any sense?
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:26 pm
by Mikey
A little more than last time.
But due to the lack of any OTHER motor function effects, I would guess that the neck pinch actually depends on affecting the central, rather than peripheral, nervous system.
Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:46 pm
by Blackstar the Chakat
Mikey wrote:A little more than last time.
But due to the lack of any OTHER motor function effects, I would guess that the neck pinch actually depends on affecting the central, rather than peripheral, nervous system.
Maybe it creates something like a brief feedback loop generated in your peripheral nervous system, forcing your entire nervous system to do a 'reboot'. Is that possible?
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:28 am
by Mikey
I get what you're saying. However - and bear in mind that I'm no neurosurgeon - I would guess that such an effect in the peripheral nervous system would affect motor function; but to affect consciousness, the central nervous system would need to be involved. This may explain in part why the "Vulcan neck pinch" is, in fact, the "Vulcan NECK pinch."
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:40 am
by Tsukiyumi
I'm not exactly an expert at these techniques, but I am familiar with the excecution. I thought this might shed some light on the concept:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pressure_points
Like I said before, the idea that this would work in the same spot on so many species is a bit of a stretch.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 3:22 pm
by stitch626
Actually, the bundle of nerves in the neck that would be affected by the nerve pinch is very similar in almost all mammals and many birds and reptiles on Earth.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:26 pm
by Mikey
stitch626 wrote:Actually, the bundle of nerves in the neck that would be affected by the nerve pinch is very similar in almost all mammals and many birds and reptiles on Earth.
Would that affect gross motor function, or consciousness itself?
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:04 pm
by stitch626
I don't know, I haven't tried it yet
From what I've read, there are several nerve clusters in the neck that, depending on the pressure angle and intensity, can cause anything from mild discomfort to long term spinal damage and unconsciousness.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:07 pm
by Mikey
If that is the case, then the neck pinch can be attributed more to a Vulcan martial-art style rather than an innate racial ability... and there should be species which are immune due to physiological differences.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:08 pm
by stitch626
Like Data.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:11 pm
by Mikey
Obviously, but I was referring to organic species with a different nevous architecture.
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:14 pm
by stitch626
Tribbles, perhaps...
I like tribbles
Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:16 pm
by Mikey
stitch626 wrote:Tribbles, perhaps...
I like tribbles
Well, I guess you can't do a neck pinch on something that has no neck!
Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:23 pm
by Teaos
I thought it was telepathic since a Nerve pinch wouldnt work on different species with different biology.