Yesterday's Enterprise by the roots

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Yup, Klingons didn't seem to lose their culture and history, just revised their focus on it. There was never a shortage of Klingon talk on different forms of religion and art and music.
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Exactly just a refocus, neglecting some previously treasured areas.
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If the moderators will allow it I was hoping to save space and just ask about UFP-KE ship comparisons on this thread...
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Go for it, we can always split it latter if needed.
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Thanks Teaos!
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I'm absolutely terrible at analysing Trek episodes and work on instinct which clearly isn't cannon or even a peashooter.
I was wondering what people thought (ignoring Graham's wonderful lists of stats) about the Vor'Cha attack cruiser compared to the Galaxy class (pre-refit) in a one-to-one confrontation, both with regular crew in a region of space that wouldn't give any vessel any addition advantages.
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In a straight up fight, the GCS has a clear advantage due to her PTLs. 1v1 its the massively expensive and just massive GCS facing the far smaller and very very likely a hell of a lot cheaper. Its like a King Tiger vs a Sherman.
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If we compare the Vor'Cha to a Sherman Firefly then we get bloody respectable punching prowess just a far weaker hull.
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Is it canon that the Vor'Cha incorporates UFP tech?
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Granitehewer wrote:Is it canon that the Vor'Cha incorporates UFP tech?
Not that I've ever heard, they don't appear to support anything but Klingon designs that I've ever seen.
Granitehewer wrote:If we compare the Vor'Cha to a Sherman Firefly then we get bloody respectable punching prowess just a far weaker hull.
That wouldn't be to far off, the Vorcha does pack a lot of fire power for her size. But thats the issue, she's the KE's answer to the GCS/Neb and she's only half the size with a limited field of fire.
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I read a lot of designer's notes about the Vor'Cha design from nacelles to colouring that it was supposed to imply an assimilation of Federation technology but I'm not sure if it is a case of valid unless disproved in an episode/film or merely totally invalid and conjecture.
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I wonder how many Vor'Cha could be built in a set time compared to Galaxy or Nebula Class...
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Granitehewer wrote:Is it canon that the Vor'Cha incorporates UFP tech?
Not to my knowledge, the designer - Andrew Probert - however made a mention that he made the concience decision to incooperate similar elements (like the warp nacelles) to show that there indeed have been cooperation and joint developments.

As for a 1on1 comparision I think the King Tiger vs Sherman comparison was very apt, however it goes a bit beyond that insofer the King Tiger was made for battle and nothing else wheras the GCS had tons of non-battle-related equipment on board.

As for the cheapness of the vorcha....who knows it seems a fair assumption but then what do "we" know about the costs of building a 24th century spaceship? Maybe size is a mayor factor, maybe the equipment like the nacelles, warpcore and impulse-engine are the cost drivers wheras the simple hull is cheap as shit since it can more easily replicated.

Since it is also semi-canonical that they build 6 - I believe - complete GCS and for 6 GCS only the hulls - to be completed at a later date IF needed I would assume that only the hullstructure without equipment is actually easy and cheap as shit to built (also explaining how they could built a spacedock without ruining their economy for years) wheras the real costs are warpcores, nacelles etc. .

If so, a Vorcha should still be cheaper to build, but not so much as we might assume. Let's just say that a Vorcha and a GCS-Battle-Section are pretty much on par cost/sizewise and the added bonus/cost of the GCS is mainly in the saucer-section which is probalby -altough much bigger - less expensive than the battle-section since it is mostly living space aka a hotel with labs.
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Infrastructure is important too, the Klingons may have their system geared to pump out ships at a faster rate than you'd assume based purely on economics, a bit gestalt.
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