The life of crewmen?
The life of crewmen?
I'm curious what we know about what things were like for crewmen.
For example I don't know that they had holodeck privaledges. And there was that special replicator room for making gifts and stuff in TNG and that seemed like it might be officers only.
Do we know if they got rooms to themselves on the different ships?
Do we think it was just a twenty year or so stint thing the way it is currently?
For example I don't know that they had holodeck privaledges. And there was that special replicator room for making gifts and stuff in TNG and that seemed like it might be officers only.
Do we know if they got rooms to themselves on the different ships?
Do we think it was just a twenty year or so stint thing the way it is currently?
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Well, the only crewman we really see is O'Brien, and he seems to live a lifestyle exactly the same as the officers. He has nice big spacious quarters, fitted out with his own personal replicator (seen in The Wounded), bedroom, all that. We also know he was a regular on the holodeck, as we saw him injure himself there (Transfigurations).
That said, we also know that Ensigns share a room with one another on the Enterprise (Lower Decks). If Junior officers share, it's hard to believe that junior crewmen don't; I'd guess, then, that O'Brien's relative luxury comes from his being a relatively senior crewman. Possibly he also gets perks from being married - The Wounded was just after he married, so that might explain his large quarters. Transfigurations is before, however, so the marriage wouldn't explain the holodeck access.
I often wonder how they allocate holodeck time. One would assume some sort of booking system... yet the officers simply stroll into one any time they please, and they're always empty. Even Reg Barclay can have a holodeck addiction that occupies a large percentage of his time. With a thousand people on board, how does that possibly work?
That said, we also know that Ensigns share a room with one another on the Enterprise (Lower Decks). If Junior officers share, it's hard to believe that junior crewmen don't; I'd guess, then, that O'Brien's relative luxury comes from his being a relatively senior crewman. Possibly he also gets perks from being married - The Wounded was just after he married, so that might explain his large quarters. Transfigurations is before, however, so the marriage wouldn't explain the holodeck access.
I often wonder how they allocate holodeck time. One would assume some sort of booking system... yet the officers simply stroll into one any time they please, and they're always empty. Even Reg Barclay can have a holodeck addiction that occupies a large percentage of his time. With a thousand people on board, how does that possibly work?
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Alot of Holodecks perhaps?
I'd imagine crewmen up to O'Brian as a roommate or two even in a Galaxy class ship unless married. Higher up you go like O'Brian the better accomodations you get.
I don't see it as Navy ships where even Master Chiefs (the highest you can go as an enlisted) do not get their own suites but bunk up with other Chiefs. They get far larger bunks than lower enlisted though. Lower officer ranks get similar accomodations as well. I see Starfleet being (obviously) more accomodating to their grunts and lower ranks since typically Starfleet ships operate on their own for years even with occasional docking with bases. Your typical Navy ship doesn't do that. Go out for a few weeks, come back in, go out, go back in, go on deployment for months, and come back.
I'd imagine crewmen up to O'Brian as a roommate or two even in a Galaxy class ship unless married. Higher up you go like O'Brian the better accomodations you get.
I don't see it as Navy ships where even Master Chiefs (the highest you can go as an enlisted) do not get their own suites but bunk up with other Chiefs. They get far larger bunks than lower enlisted though. Lower officer ranks get similar accomodations as well. I see Starfleet being (obviously) more accomodating to their grunts and lower ranks since typically Starfleet ships operate on their own for years even with occasional docking with bases. Your typical Navy ship doesn't do that. Go out for a few weeks, come back in, go out, go back in, go on deployment for months, and come back.
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He's some kind of grand poobah petty officer rank though I believe, with a bit of E-9 flavor.GrahamKennedy wrote:Well, the only crewman we really see is O'Brien, and he seems to live a lifestyle exactly the same as the officers. He has nice big spacious quarters, fitted out with his own personal replicator (seen in The Wounded), bedroom, all that. We also know he was a regular on the holodeck, as we saw him injure himself there (Transfigurations).
The Galaxy class did have a thing for civilians. I could see something where civilians get relatively nice quarters based on family size, and O'Brien was staying with them. And in a way he also had to shareThat said, we also know that Ensigns share a room with one another on the Enterprise (Lower Decks). If Junior officers share, it's hard to believe that junior crewmen don't; I'd guess, then, that O'Brien's relative luxury comes from his being a relatively senior crewman. Possibly he also gets perks from being married - The Wounded was just after he married, so that might explain his large quarters. Transfigurations is before, however, so the marriage wouldn't explain the holodeck access.
(Also Lower Decks was a great episode)
I vaguely recall mentions of timeslots of holodeck access. However they also occasionally have mission critical functions in addition to recreation. It would make sense that some number of them are reserved for officers on an as needed basis.I often wonder how they allocate holodeck time. One would assume some sort of booking system... yet the officers simply stroll into one any time they please, and they're always empty. Even Reg Barclay can have a holodeck addiction that occupies a large percentage of his time. With a thousand people on board, how does that possibly work?
Also Barclay did a lot with the holodeck as part of his job, and he was an officer. I'd imagine he could have a holodeck addiction the way a cubicle dweller could have a video game addiction at work....for a while before it all comes crashing down.
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Didn't O'Brien tend to fluctuate between CO and NCO, though, according to his insignia?
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I always thought of O'Brien as Staff Sergeant or Master Sergeant as he was a ground pounder before going onto the Enterprise. Or, if it is Navy... Chief Petty Officer if not a Master Chief...
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What is the Starfleet insignia for jack of all trades?Mikey wrote:Didn't O'Brien tend to fluctuate between CO and NCO, though, according to his insignia?
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No, they didn't wear specialty insignia... I meant sometimes he had a lieutenant's bars, sometimes an NCO pin.McAvoy wrote:What is the Starfleet insignia for jack of all trades?Mikey wrote:Didn't O'Brien tend to fluctuate between CO and NCO, though, according to his insignia?
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That was sort of a joke...Mikey wrote:No, they didn't wear specialty insignia... I meant sometimes he had a lieutenant's bars, sometimes an NCO pin.McAvoy wrote:What is the Starfleet insignia for jack of all trades?Mikey wrote:Didn't O'Brien tend to fluctuate between CO and NCO, though, according to his insignia?
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Re: The life of crewmen?
On a GCS you get 10 minutes per person per week per holodeck.
So for each person to have even one hour a day holodeck time, you would need 42 of them.
So for each person to have even one hour a day holodeck time, you would need 42 of them.
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No he wasn't - he was the Rutledge's tactical officer. The only time he was on the ground was at Setlik III.Jim wrote:I always thought of O'Brien as Staff Sergeant or Master Sergeant as he was a ground pounder before going onto the Enterprise.
He didn't fluctuate, he just switched - started off as an Ensign in Farpoint, worked his way up to a full Lieutenant, then got bumped down to CPO or WO when they needed Barclay to outrank him in Realm of Fear. DS9 brushed the whole thing under the carpet by acting as though he'd always been a rating.Mikey wrote:Didn't O'Brien tend to fluctuate between CO and NCO, though, according to his insignia?
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Where did you get the 10 minutes per person per week per holodeck from?GrahamKennedy wrote:On a GCS you get 10 minutes per person per week per holodeck.
So for each person to have even one hour a day holodeck time, you would need 42 of them.
I doubt everyone uses one even when they have the time for it though.
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Yeah, I'd call that "fluctuating." Bumped from enlisted to office when far removed from his most decoratable action, then bumped down from an office to a rating for no discernable punitive or performance-based reason...Captain Seafort wrote:started off as an Ensign in Farpoint, worked his way up to a full Lieutenant, then got bumped down to CPO or WO when they needed Barclay to outrank him in Realm of Fear.
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Another possibility is that he received a field commission during the war, along with various acting promotions, and lost it either a) when the war officially ended (which wasn't until late season 7) or b) when Starfleet HQ finally got its paperwork up to date.Mikey wrote:Yeah, I'd call that "fluctuating." Bumped from enlisted to office when far removed from his most decoratable action, then bumped down from an office to a rating for no discernable punitive or performance-based reason...
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Interesting idea.Captain Seafort wrote:Another possibility is that he received a field commission during the war, along with various acting promotions, and lost it either a) when the war officially ended (which wasn't until late season 7) or b) when Starfleet HQ finally got its paperwork up to date.Mikey wrote:Yeah, I'd call that "fluctuating." Bumped from enlisted to office when far removed from his most decoratable action, then bumped down from an office to a rating for no discernable punitive or performance-based reason...
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