Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Aaron » Mon Jun 16, 2008 9:37 pm

Jabber Swarky wrote:Heyheyhey, crappy? >:( Steady on there mate. I think the 40K Cannon is one of the most fantastic i've ever seen, its just so diverse. I mean, yeah, theres a lot of it and, yeah, a lot of it is different, but.. its an entire GALAXY. You cant really expect every single thing to be identicle on every one of the trillion trillion worlds in this big ole starcluster we call home.


Perhaps I should say poorly enforced. Everything in WH40K is canon, though the novels are the highest if I understand GW correctly.

And, meh, maybe theres different versions of Plasma Power and Promethium that have benefits and drawbacks.. maybe liquid plasma is stabler for longer so it has a mildly longer range or something but is more expensive to refine. It wouldnt come up in the rules, but it could easily be bunged into the cannon and hope no-one really notices, and different regimental leaders all have different tastes.


No I mean that in The Soul Drinkers Omnibus the plasma guns literally fire liquid fire. Which is the only reference I've seen to that and the total opposite of what they usually do.

Or, you know, maybe you guys should stop nitpicking and enjoy the books =p


I could...hows that work again? :wink:
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Deepcrush » Tue Jun 17, 2008 3:15 pm

The Books are the highest cannon and because of the scale of the universe there can always be recon without harming the over all story.

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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Aaron » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:18 pm

Deepcrush wrote:The Books are the highest cannon and because of the scale of the universe there can always be recon without harming the over all story.

AKA

My plasma gun doesn't have to work the same as your plasma gun.


I know, it's just irksome.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Sionnach Glic » Thu Jun 19, 2008 11:38 am

The shheer variety of te Imperium is eough to excuse a lot of the contradictions for me.
I'm just afterr reading the latest Cain book Duty Calls, pretty good.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Mikey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 1:43 pm

Hell, in Brothers of the Snake, a plasma gun took out a rockcrete city friggin' wall.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Aaron » Thu Jun 19, 2008 2:07 pm

Mikey wrote:Hell, in Brothers of the Snake, a plasma gun took out a rockcrete city friggin' wall.


Compacted rock shards actually:

Brothers Of The Snake pg.115 wrote:
There was indeed something. Priad switched the overlay back and forth, matching and rematching. According to the old charts, there was a section of the east wall built of compacted rock shards rather than ferro-concrete as an expediancy during construction.


Still impressive and IIRC Jurgen blasts a hole through an actual rockcrete tunnel wall in For The Emperor with his meltagun. And IG melta's are quite a bit weaker than those used by the SM's.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Mikey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:12 pm

Thanks for the clarification. And I guess, to be fair, it took three or four shots.

BTW, who wrote the Cain series - was it McNeill? I'll be at the library tomorrow.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Aaron » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:32 pm

Mikey wrote:Thanks for the clarification. And I guess, to be fair, it took three or four shots.

BTW, who wrote the Cain series - was it McNeill? I'll be at the library tomorrow.


Sandy Mitchell is the name he publishes under, he also wrote Scourge The Heretic. Which is the Dark Heresy RPG tie in novel, it's excellent and I highly recommend it.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Mikey » Thu Jun 19, 2008 3:48 pm

Wait - Sandy Mitchell and Graham MacNeill are the same person, or was I just dead wrong about who wrote the Cain series?
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Aaron » Thu Jun 19, 2008 6:14 pm

Mikey wrote:Wait - Sandy Mitchell and Graham MacNeill are the same person, or was I just dead wrong about who wrote the Cain series?


Yeah, your wrong. McNeil wrote the The Ultramarines Omnibus and Fulgrim, neither of which seem highly regarded by fans. Though Fulgrim was so over the top that I loved it.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Sionnach Glic » Sat Jun 21, 2008 4:08 pm

Mikey: The Cain books are written under the name of Sandy Mitchell, which is an alias of Alex Stewart.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Mikey » Sat Jun 21, 2008 8:15 pm

Thanks, but my backwards piney library has none of 'em. Borders, here I come.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Aaron » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:01 am

Mikey wrote:Thanks, but my backwards piney library has none of 'em. Borders, here I come.


Yeah, the only sci-fi in my local library is 20 year old Trek novels. I like to buy these books anyways, make good references for fanfiction.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Sionnach Glic » Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:51 pm

My libraries don't have them either, for some reason.
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Re: Ciaphas Cain, Hero of The Imperium

Postby Mikey » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:46 pm

My local public library has a total of three WH40k books and one WH book; lots of Zelazny, Heinlein, Silverberg, etc., and SW and ST books. However, they had four Gibson books, but NOT Neromancer!
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