Tsukiyumi wrote:God, I miss B5.
kostmayer wrote:Am rewatching it at the moment. Gotta love G'kar.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:All characters have their own arcs during the serie, for the better or the worse. Some are much more epic than others (Ivanova's is much more personal than Londo's or Sheridan's, obviously). The only one who lacked an arc per se, because he was already in the final act of his personal journey was Marcus.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:I liked Londo's own struggle, which somewhat reflected G'Kar's so poetically.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:Where G'Kar said all the truths in the world with no one listening or caring, with allies who could barely lift a finger to come to his help but would always be by his side and be true to him.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:Londo said all the things he knew to be lies and deceptions, spins and tales, with everybody ready to listen to them because they were convenient. With allies who could smash worlds at his whims but were ready to put his head on a spike the moment he did not danced the steps they laid out for him.
Deepcrush wrote:SolkaTruesilver wrote:All characters have their own arcs during the serie, for the better or the worse. Some are much more epic than others (Ivanova's is much more personal than Londo's or Sheridan's, obviously). The only one who lacked an arc per se, because he was already in the final act of his personal journey was Marcus.
How exactly would you get anymore personal with Londo or Sheridan? While Ivanova had some personal moments on the show, calling her arc an "epic personal" is just ignorant of the series itself. To the counter, the story of Marcus was very much an epic. To spend one's life trying to live for others, replace one's fallen brother, survive the greatest war in a thousand years only to give up your life to save the woman who he loves rather then see his homeworld liberated. Doesn't get anymore epic then that.
Deepcrush wrote:SolkaTruesilver wrote:I liked Londo's own struggle, which somewhat reflected G'Kar's so poetically.
Somewhat being the understatement. They were two different types of people who were given the same opportunities with the same future hopes for their races. What we see in the series is the effects of two people on those billions who surround them.
Deepcrush wrote:SolkaTruesilver wrote:Where G'Kar said all the truths in the world with no one listening or caring, with allies who could barely lift a finger to come to his help but would always be by his side and be true to him.
Since when did no one listen to him?
Deepcrush wrote:SolkaTruesilver wrote:Londo said all the things he knew to be lies and deceptions, spins and tales, with everybody ready to listen to them because they were convenient. With allies who could smash worlds at his whims but were ready to put his head on a spike the moment he did not danced the steps they laid out for him.
It wasn't that what he said was convenient, its that they weren't in a position to do anything about it at the time. Once the Centauri had the backing of the Shadows, the younger races couldn't compete. Even the Minbari knew that to move openly would just bring the war on before they had time to gather their forces.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:Because Ivanova's or Franklin's arcs only affected the world on their personnal level, while Sheridan's, Delenn's, Londo's and G'Kar's story arc had an impact on billions of lives, governements, planets and societies. I am sorry, but how can't you grasp the scale these storylines had on the universe?
SolkaTruesilver wrote:As opposed to Ivanova's struggle to be respected, not being patronised by people around her, and maybe accepting to live with her emotion? Or Franklin's finding himself, and knowing where are his limits? You gotta say, there was a lot more chips in the first bucket than this one!
SolkaTruesilver wrote:They were reflects only thematically. The actual positions on a personnal level either one of them were were very different.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:The entire fucking 2nd and 3rd season? JMS himself described G'Kar as a Cassandra figure. Sure, some people were willing to indulge him and believe him, but they weren't willing to act on what he said or believed.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:So... out of convenience, in order to buy some time, they accepted the lies fed to them by Londo. The very lies his government told him to say, which is your usual diplomatic mumbo-jumbo, and most people went along with it because it wasn't convenient for them to act at the moment.
SolkaTruesilver wrote:Are you really going to be pedantic about this?
Deepcrush wrote:Why are you on a forum of geeks wondering why you're being questioned for posting statements that lacked a credible thought process?
Tholian_Avenger wrote:How do you interpret Londo's reply "Nothing. I saw nothing"? I think Londo actually saw a religious figure but because of his shame at his moral decay, Londo did not care to admit seeing the angel.
Another idea is that Londo's continued exposure to the Shadows may have clouded his ability to recognize the angelic presence of the Vorlons, or Kosh may have even hid his presence from Londo's mind.
The prevalent theory, however, is that Londo didn't see anything because the Vorlons hadn't modified the Centauri species to respond religiously to their physical presence. This has been expanded in the EU I believe by the stipulation that the Vorlons had chosen the Xon, who were defeated by the Centauri with the aid of some Technomages.Spoiler:
I think the prevalent theory is crap though.
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