BigJKU316 wrote:Of the other stuff on there I would substitute for the following.
JDAM gets removed for the Paveway series in my view. JDAM is more advanced but the first real practical precision guided free fall bomb was the Paveway, at least if we are talking systems built in large numbers. This was proven in the Gulf War when a much smaller amount of ordinance was able to hit all sorts of critical targets. JDAM was just an improved way of doing the same thing while Paveway was the first practical means to do something Air Forces had been attempting to do for a while.
I don't think I'd replace JDAM with the Paveway so much as add the Paveway in. JDAM wasn't important for being a precision bomb, the Paveway certainly deserves credit for leading the pack in that regard. JDAM was important for being a conversion kit to turn dumb bombs into smart bombs, thus allowing the US to fill up their stores with good smart weapons cheaply and without having to worry about disposing of all those dumb bombs. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't JDAM also the first widely used GPS smart weapon?
Apache gets scrubbed for the AH-1 for largely the same reason. It was the first and Apache was just an evolutionary development. I don't feel as strongly about this one as the former but I still think it makes sense to take the innovator rather than what is mostly a linear improvement.
I rather agree with that, though the show's rational for the Apache was that it was such a great tank killer. I still think the Huey deserves the spot more for showing just how useful helicopters in general could be in military operations.
R-7 I would swap for Polaris. Early ICBM's were certainly important but were quite limited in practical utility. Polaris ushered in the era of true secure deterrence in the form of SSBN's, which helped stabilize the Cold War. If forced to pick an ICBM I would take one of the USSR or US in ground solid fuel rockets from the mid-60's I suppose but I think the SLBM was more important to stability in the nuclear situation.
I am lukewarm on the BMP-1. It was innovative but I just don't see it as ever really being earth shattering. In the concept it was designed for (fighting in a chemical/nuclear wasteland) it might have worked well I guess.
Kind of how I feel about it. If it had gotten use for what it was designed for, moving troops into Europe if the cold war turned hot, it would probably rank higher in importance.
Not sure what I would replace it with. Centurian/Chieftan possible as they were the first, in my view, highly modern MBT's of the Cold War, at least for the west. I honestly think that it would make more sense to go with any of a variety of wire-guided anti-tank weapons in this scenario as they redefined the armored battlefield quite a bit in the 60's and 70's.
I would swap the Nimitz for the USS Enterprise. That was the revolutionary combination of nuke power and huge carrier that sort of changed how business was done. The Nimitz was simply a much more efficient design to build in serial.
Fair point, though I think that the way the Nimitz took the idea the Enterprise started and reached the true potential of it, and thus bumps the innovator aside by being that much better. I can't say I'd defend one over the other too strongly though, it'd be easy to claim one over the other depending on the view point.
I would bump the RPG-7 for some type of submarine honestly, or for the Panzerfaust if you really must have a light-weight man portable thing in there.
I think part of what makes the RPG-7 worthy of its spot isn't just its capability, but its simplicity and reliability. Its the AK-47 of anti-vehicle weapons, cheap, easy to obtain, and requires little training to use.
I like most of your changes. The Huey is a good addition I overlooked and we can agree on the Nautilus certainly.
I would dispute the SA-2 SAM here. It was not really the first of its kind, just the first used. It was probably outclassed by a number of Western systems. For example Nike Herc was in service pretty much at the same time the SA-2 was just entering service. Nike Ajax had been in service for more than 5 years when SA-2's came around. Not a big problem with it hitting the list just don't think it was either the first nor really an exceptional system for its time, just the most noted due to use.
Good points. I'll admit that SAMs are not an area I claim much knowledge in, I'd have to do some research to really respond to that. Could be a case of just going for what was more notable.