Large Hadron Collider

[Laughing Man]

Do you think it's gonna do something spectacular?

I found this article on the register about a genuine concern held by a scientist regarding the LHC.

More information and articles about progress Here

and a fansite Here


Opinions seem very much divided on what this machine is capable of, IMHO the LHC will detect something, measure it and it will be analysed, without extradimensional portals being opened and universes being obliterated,

[Tyyr]

Not the universe, only our own planet. After all it's going to make baby black holes. Probably.

[Mikey]

That's right, I almost forgot that the LHC is going to make tiny black holes and destroy Earth.

I think the people who oppose the LHC said something about a Leviathan with a number on its forhead, but I'm not sure.

[Sionnach Glic]

It'll smash some particles together, and give us some cool pictures to look at. Nothing earth-shaking....litteraly.

[Mark]

Actually, it already HAS destoyed Earth. However, do to the help of a couple of hitchhikers, we've been provided with Earth 2.0........which explains quite a few things IMO

[Laughing Man]

[Mikey]

I suppose you'd consider it "Mostly harmless?"

[Laughing Man]

Insofar as it is a controlled experiment based mostly on previous experiments which have been successful, i think it'll be harmless. Though if i'm proven wrong and the whole world gets sucked into another dimension, (I'll be rooting for dimension x, we can get some nuclear ooze terapins and have a blast!) there'll be noone left to say i told you so!

[Tyyr]

Even if it does make a blackhole it'll only have the mass of a pair of protons which means it won't have enough gravitational pull to drag anything else to it, not that there will be anything else nearby to attract, and Hawkings radiation will evaporate it nearly instantly.

[Laughing Man]

This is some content from one "Dr" Ivan Gorelik, a russian Doctor and Scientist, This article is the sort of thing that made me ask.

It's a bit of a long one . . .

There is a very big probability that magnetic trap will kill us all, if we will not stop powerful colliders.

Magnetic trap is an object, unifying hypothetical objects, connected primarily by magnetic forces: neutron drop / liquid; neutron hole; magnetic hole ...

It is probable that the microscopic magnetic trap can be created at the collider. Magnetic trap will grow capturing the normal substance. As a result, magnetic trap can destroy the Earth.

Magnetic hole is a magnetic analog of the black hole. The black hole is bonded by gravitational forces, and the magnetic hole is bonded by magnetic forces, which are many-many times stronger than gravity forces.

Magnetic hole is a magnetic dipole, and can have the form of a torus, ellipsoid or cylinder, dependently of a matter distribution around it and its magnetic properties. Inside the hole there is the critical magnetic field, about 1016 teslas. The lines of magnetic induction are directed perpendicular to the plane of the hole. Nucleons are microscopic magnets, and they can be easily captured by the critical field of the hole. Proton decays at x-boson and positron. Neutron decays at x-boson and antineutrino. Positrons and antineutrino are ejected from the hole; x-bosons are captured and the is growing.

The approximate computation shows that the minimal possible magnetic hole, which can capture a nucleon, has a mass about 340 of masses of nucleons. The Tevatron collider is now working above this region (1 TeV). Creation of magnetic holes at Tevatron was impossible for two reasons:
1. Collision of a proton and an antiproton leads to annihilation;
2. In the center of the line, connecting the proton and antiproton, facing a tangent, the magnetic field is zero.

The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) will be able to create the particles with the rest mass, which are dozens times more that the minimal possible mass of magnetic hole.

For several years, some scientists argue and demand to ban the construction of powerful colliders. Among the known dangerous objects that may lead to global catastrophe are the following: microscopic black holes, strangelets, magnetic monopoles, vacuum bubbles. I learned about these disputes and concerns only in early September 2008. And then I immediately noticed that the objects, bonded by magnetic forces, were almost not analyzed.

In early September 2008, I assumed that the probability of a global catastrophe is less than 0.000001. However, after analysis of the objects, bonded by magnetic forces; after the analysis of space observations; after I found crude errors in the LHC safety documents, my assessment of the global disaster has surpassed dozens of percents.

Some theorists suggest that the Higgs bosons will be registered at the LHC. And, if these particles will not been found, the theorists would be very surprised; - this would prove that the Standard Model is wrong. Higgs boson had received a new name, "the God particle". We know that the most of particles have their corresponding antiparticles. So, if there is a particle of God, then there is a particle of Devil. Two colliding particles can give two more massive particles, - the particle and its antiparticle, for example, an electron and positron. By adding the colliding energy, we can get the God particle and its anti-particle, the magnetic trap of Devil. Particles and antiparticles have diametrically opposed properties. Indeed, the Higgs boson causes the ordinary matter to have a mass. But the magnetic hole captures the substance and transforms its rest mass-energy into another form of matter, - the magnetic field of the Devil's trap. Say me now, have we the right to touch the particle of God?

Microscopic magnetic holes created at the collider, will move to the center of the Earth, absorbing the matter in their path. Eventually they will merge together into a single and much stronger magnetic hole. The thin shell of the Earth, together with us, will be ejected into cosmic space, but the rest of the Earth will turn into an electric current loop of several meters radius. For comparison, the radius of a black hole of the same mass is 9 millimeters. 2/3 of Earth's mass will be transformed into magnetic field of magnetic hole, and another 1/3 will be transformed into radiation and kinetic energy of the rejected shell.

Magnetic hole will not decay if it was born in such cold place, as the collider, where the temperature is close to 0 K. If the magnetic hole is born in a collision of space particle with atmospheric particle, it has a speed, which is close to the speed of light. As a result, such magnetic hole will be ruined almost immediately as a result of energetic collisions with atmospheric particles. Such ruined magnetic hole will form a cosmic-ray particle shower. Such showers are observable.

Huge magnetic holes are also observable is cosmos.



In the remnants of supernova SN 1987A we can see a system of rings, which remind us the magnetic hole. What quantum number had divided the ejected particles at these three rings?

It seems as if these rings embrace a hyperboloid. And now look at the electron, moving along two hyperboles in coordinates x, ict, in my electron model program. Each electron crosses the entire Universe in a period of time, which is equal to the classical period of the electron. This paradoxical conclusion is the consequence of the Special Relativity Theory. The ring structure of SN 1987A and our electron model have common visible properties. The Earth and the Sun can be turned into the same ring structure.

Magnetic collapse is much more rapid than the gravity collapse. At the process of magnetic collapse the nucleon turns such, that its magnetic dipole moment becomes parallel to the magnetic dipole moment of a trap. Gravity collapse needs displacing of a matter inside the Schwarzschild radius. The time interval of neutrino registration at neutrino observatories had proved the reality of magnetic collapse of dying stars.

Now (December 2009) I am very confident that there are no black holes in the Universe. But gravitational collapses are possible and observable as powerful Gamma Rays Bursts (GRBs). At the moment then mh's and bh's radii become equal, the rapid gravity collapse changes the magnetic collapse. Gravity funnel becomes thinner and disappear. Collapse ends by gamma rays burst and flattening the space, without any black hole formed. The energy of gamma burst can be about 2/3 of mc^2 of exploded star. A small fraction of matter, which was able to survive, moves out from the place of explosion with high velocity.

Pulsars are not the neutron stars, but magnetic holes surrounded by dense neutron shells. Neutrons have negative magnetic moments and as a result they are repealed out from the magnetic hole, but attracted to the hole by its huge gravity forces. So the neutron shell is situated at the region where the magnetic and gravitational forces are equal.

Magnetic holes explain us the cause of several astronomical pulses: gamma-bursts, huge radio jets, the annihilation lines of electron-positron pairs, huge velocities of remnants of cosmic catastrophes, the absence of civilizations which are older, than those, who can build powerful colliders.

Several days ago (December 9, 2009) an article was published, - gamma rays bursts are bourn in strong magnetic fields. That is one more proving argument of magnetic holes. Huge Cosmic Explosions Fueled by Magnetism http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... agnet.html

Particle's collision energies and bombs:

Several eV - chemical bomb;
Several MeV - nuclear bomb;
Several TeV - hyper bomb.

Chemical bomb is accompanied by the change of chemical structure of matter.
Nuclear bomb is accompanied by the change of nuclear structure of matter.
Hyper bomb is accompanied by the transformation of solid matter into a field.
Scientific crime.

Only crazy people can try to create the particles with the rest mass, more than 100 nucleon masses. It is very possible that in the region from 100 to 7000 aum, hundreds types of particles and resonances can be created. It is clear, that the most of them will decay. But some of them will grow, capturing and destroying the ordinary matter.

Academician Migdal wrote 30 years ago about pion condensation in the strong fields. As a result he had come to conclusion that neutron stars can have any masses. My approximate computation also shows that the minimal possible neutron star can have a mass, about three hundreds of nucleon masses. Such embryo of neutron star can by made in collider.

Not long ago (autumn 2008) the new strange unexpected particle was discovered at the Tevatron collider. It decays at several muons, up to eight units. Somebody had already named it the Halloween particle. I named it the muon hole. What will be made the next? The magnetic trap of Devil? It will not decay, but it will transform us into its magnetic field.

Majority of contemporary physicists imagine quark-gluon plasma as a suck with peas. That is a very dangerous imagination. Particles are not points with labels, where their quantum properties were written. Particles are not the material essences, independent of space-time; they are just space-time elements, strings.

Dear reader, the situation is extremely serious. The physics now is in the deep crisis. Theorists, in order to save their religious Big Bang theory, invented "the dark energy" as a new either. They want now to test their wretched theories at the powerful Large Hadron Collider.

Those persons, with high ranks and high scientific degrees, who cry about the safety of LHC, had already made a crime now. The LHC was launched despite the fact that there were court trials. The Earth could be exploded the 21 of September 2008, but the accident, which had happened two days earlier, had saved us. Scientists-criminals must be punished. But they continue to lie about the safety of the LHC, and are performing the global terrorist crime now.

Dear reader! Big Bang adherents can lead the Earth to the utter destruction. Particle collisions with the energy more then 0.1 TeV must be prohibited by the international law. The science must be cleared from the Big Bang delusion. Big-bangers want to touch the particle of God, but thus, they lead us into the magnetic trap of Devil. People, will you silently endure the massacre?

Here is not complete list of your potential killers: 2003 J.-P. Blaizot, J. Iliopoulos, J. Madsen, G.G. Ross, P. Sonderegger, H.-J. Specht. 2008 John Ellis, Gian Giudice, Michelangelo Mangano, Igor Tkachev, and Urs Wiedemann. And of course, Rolf Heuer, director of CERN, who neglects the opinion of physicists, saying about dangers of LHC.

The crudest error, made by them, is equating of the consequences of collider collisions with cosmo-atmospheric collisions. To see the difference between these consequences look my model with two 10-kg bottles with neutrons. You will see that the bottle, corresponding to cosmic rays, will be safe. But the bottle, corresponding to LHC
collisions, will transform the town into Hiroshima.

Edit: Just so we're clear, i think this guy is as nuts as the guys giving copernicus a hard time, but in the interest of "balance" all opinions should be heqard before we point and laugh at the loonies!

[Tyyr]

Where in the hell did you find that? If it was translated by some automatic service I can maybe understand it but there are sentences in there that are missing critical words or that are just gibberish.

1016 teslas

Is jack, we've created field in the billions of teslas.

And the micro black holes are something no one with a passing acquaintance with physics would even give a minutes thought too.

[Laughing Man]

This guy is genuine, He's Russian so i think he translated it using google translator, but his website is a real tinfoil hat experience! http://darkenergy.narod.ru/

[Tyyr]

Some theorists suggest that the Higgs bosons will be registered at the LHC. And, if these particles will not been found, the theorists would be very surprised; - this would prove that the Standard Model is wrong. Higgs boson had received a new name, "the God particle". We know that the most of particles have their corresponding antiparticles. So, if there is a particle of God, then there is a particle of Devil. Two colliding particles can give two more massive particles, - the particle and its antiparticle, for example, an electron and positron. By adding the colliding energy, we can get the God particle and its anti-particle, the magnetic trap of Devil. Particles and antiparticles have diametrically opposed properties. Indeed, the Higgs boson causes the ordinary matter to have a mass. But the magnetic hole captures the substance and transforms its rest mass-energy into another form of matter, - the magnetic field of the Devil's trap. Say me now, have we the right to touch the particle of God?

Take him seriously? Really?

Now (December 2009) I am very confident that there are no black holes in the Universe. But gravitational collapses are possible and observable as powerful Gamma Rays Bursts (GRBs). At the moment then mh's and bh's radii become equal, the rapid gravity collapse changes the magnetic collapse. Gravity funnel becomes thinner and disappear. Collapse ends by gamma rays burst and flattening the space, without any black hole formed. The energy of gamma burst can be about 2/3 of mc^2 of exploded star. A small fraction of matter, which was able to survive, moves out from the place of explosion with high velocity.

Despite the fact that we have observable objects in the universe that only fit the description of black holes?

If the guy were genuine with genuine concerns I'm sure he could find someone to properly translate this because it's a trainwreck before you get to the tinfoil hat science.

[Graham Kennedy]

Where in the hell did you find that? If it was translated by some automatic service I can maybe understand it but there are sentences in there that are missing critical words or that are just gibberish.

1016 teslas

Is jack, we've created field in the billions of teslas.

I'm guessing, but I suspect that read 10 to the power of 16 Teslas. Superscripts tend to get lost in copy and paste.

The sort of physics CERN deals with is above my head, but "magnetic holes" sounds like nonsense to me.

[Mikey]

I'm in the same boat as far as the advanced theoretical physics, but I'd like this guy to explain how he agrees that gravitic collapse occues - complete with GRB's as evidence - but then the epicenters of such phenomena just... poof?