Why American Football is called "Football."

Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Captain Seafort » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:12 pm

Mikey wrote:Well, charging forward while attempting to cover a kick return is the surest way to put yourself in the wrong position to make a play


That was my point. Scotland scored a try against Italy on Saturday precisely because the Italians were running forward fast. The ball carried knocked on after being tackled, Scotland turned it over, and before the Italians knew what was happening (and because they were going forward as fast as he, from their perspective, was going backwards) Lamont was through them all the way to the try line. The lot who conceded that touchdown don't have that excuse.

it didn't appear that way to me so much as a well-blocked return combined with individual effort on Jones' part. However, I've been watching football for over three decades, and I fully admit that things might look very different to someone who is both unfamiliar and unconcerned with the sport.


I agree with the effort by Mr Jones - that's the furthest I've ever seen anyone run in American Football. My complaint is that the entire opposing team were standing within touching distance of him, with plenty of time to tackle him, and made no effort to do so.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Mikey » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:36 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:That was my point. Scotland scored a try against Italy on Saturday precisely because the Italians were running forward fast. The ball carried knocked on after being tackled, Scotland turned it over, and before the Italians knew what was happening (and because they were going forward as fast as he, from their perspective, was going backwards) Lamont was through them all the way to the try line. The lot who conceded that touchdown don't have that excuse.


Excepting the first and last sentence, I'm not even sure in which language is this paragraph.

Captain Seafort wrote:I agree with the effort by Mr Jones - that's the furthest I've ever seen anyone run in American Football.


In fact, it was initially a post-season record for the longest kickoff return (109 yds.) Later the league reversed that decision, calling it instead a 107-yd. return which tied for the post-season record.

Captain Seafort wrote: My complaint is that the entire opposing team were standing within touching distance of him, with plenty of time to tackle him, and made no effort to do so.


As I said, I didn't see it that way. Poor performance by the Niners' kick coverage unit was certainly a part of it, but total lack of effort certainly wasn't (to my eye.) Certainly many coaches in all sports preach that doing something - even it's wrong - is better than doing nothing; but you have to understand that attempting an open-field tackle against a runner with a north-south head of steam is both completely different than trying to stop a run from scrimmage, and something not accomplished by simply trying to tack to a good angle and launching yourself. I was pulling for the Ravens, so perhaps I was more inclined to see the good on their side rather than the bad on the SF side; and again, it could be a different perception based on our differing levels of familiarity with - and regard for - the game.

*EDIT* yet again, there are the so-called "wedge" rules that came into play a few years back, that woefully restrict the positioning of players on a kick coverage unit. Certainly these wouldn't much come into play once Jones was past his own 20-yard-line or so, depending on a few factors (I don't recall what the hang time of the kick was,) and I sure won't say that the Niners coverage unit did all it could; but it is an example of something that a more practiced eye sees that could look radically different to a more casual observer. To a casual observer of a soccer match, an offensive player on a solo breakaway who held up approaching the sweepers might look like a lazy bastard; while to you, your knowledge of the offsides rule is so ingrained that you wouldn't even have to consciously consider the rule to apply it to your analysis of the play.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby IanKennedy » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:35 pm

Mikey wrote:Over a week ago, but you're close. There was no problem with the game itself; the stadium, OTOH, had some electrical issues.

Well time flies when you're on holiday... I believe the stopped the game when the lights went out so I would say the game had a problem with the electrical supply. I'm not suggesting that the players themselves batteries ran down. ;)

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Pretty close, it's a place name.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Mikey » Wed Feb 13, 2013 6:13 pm

IanKennedy wrote:Well time flies when you're on holiday... I believe the stopped the game when the lights went out so I would say the game had a problem with the electrical supply. I'm not suggesting that the players themselves batteries ran down.


I meant the actual gameplay didn't change. The players don't run on batteries, they run on andro and HGH. ;)

IanKennedy wrote:Pretty close, it's a place name.


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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Griffin » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:10 pm

Mikey wrote:
No wonder even the Welsh don't speak Welsh anymore.


They do when drunk. It's either that or my mates just want to exclude me.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Mikey » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:35 pm

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Mikey wrote:
No wonder even the Welsh don't speak Welsh anymore.


They do when drunk. It's either that or my mates just want to exclude me.


I talk like that when I'm drunk enough, too. That's not Welsh, it's just drunk.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Tyyr » Wed Feb 13, 2013 7:38 pm

Wait, there's a difference between being Welsh and being drunk?
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Captain Seafort » Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:02 pm

Other than St George's Channel?
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Mikey » Wed Feb 13, 2013 9:14 pm

Tyyr wrote:Wait, there's a difference between being Welsh and being drunk?


Yep - you can recover from being drunk.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Tsukiyumi » Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:24 pm

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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Mikey » Thu Feb 14, 2013 12:12 pm



Thank you, that was straight off the cuff.
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Re: Why American Football is called "Football."

Postby Vic » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:35 am

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