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Can someone list the organization of military units in all the fleets (Republic, CIS, Imperial and Rebel forces)?

For example, we know that 12 ships equal a squadron, but how many troops form a battalion, a regiment, a squad, etc.
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It depends on what you're talking about. The standard stormtrooper squad is nine strong (based on the standard US Army squad, despite the flaws in the concept), but battalion/regimental level organisation depends on the arm. The 12-ship squadron is specific to starfighters - heavier ships have six to a squadron (also known as a superiority fleet, with Death Squadron being a prime example).

If you want to know more, do your own research - this is the internet, there's no lack of data out there.
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Captain Seafort wrote:It depends on what you're talking about. The standard stormtrooper squad is nine strong (based on the standard US Army squad, despite the flaws in the concept), but battalion/regimental level organisation depends on the arm. The 12-ship squadron is specific to starfighters - heavier ships have six to a squadron (also known as a superiority fleet, with Death Squadron being a prime example).

If you want to know more, do your own research - this is the internet, there's no lack of data out there.
I already have. But think about it. That is PRECISELY why I have come here for help. I HAVE done research and there are SO many conflicting numbers ON ONE SITE ALONE. :(
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Meste17 wrote:I already have. But think about it. That is PRECISELY why I have come here for help. I HAVE done research and there are SO many conflicting numbers ON ONE SITE ALONE. :(
So your options are:
1 - Go with the least conflicting, or what sounds most reasonable.
2 - Get a median number from the various numbers.
3 - Do further research.

There are plenty of resources available simply by typing a few words into Google.
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Post what you have found out here. Sorry to burst your bubble but we do not know everything we just like to think we do.
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McAvoy wrote:Post what you have found out here. Sorry to burst your bubble but we do not know everything we just like to think we do.
Lol that's okay. I couldve sworn that you did ;) XP

So here is what I got from Wookiepedia:

Army: commanded by a full General, and consisting of a nominal total of 193,644 front-line soldiers in an establishment strength of 293,686 personnel.

Battalion: the Grand Army of the Republic, a battalion was made up of four companies of 165 clone troopers each, for to a total of 660 men, commanded by a Major, with 4 battalions forming a Regiment.

Line battalion
608 combat troops and 202 other personnel, in four line companies. Ideally, one line company became a heavy weapons company, raising the number of combat troops to 626.

Assault battalion
Typically, 662 troopers, 206 other personnel, and 31 repulsorlift vehicles, organized in one line company, two heavy weapons company, and one repulsorlift company.

Repulsorlift battalion
680 troopers, 272 other personnel, 115 repulsorcraft and 40 speeder bikes, organized in three repulsorlift companies and one scout company.

Artillery battalion
608 troopers and 202 other personnel, in three artillery batteries and a heavy weapons company, with 48 heavy or medium artillery tubes, or 98 light field pieces.

Armor battalion
53 heavy tanks or AT-ATs, or 93 light tanks or AT-STs, plus 55 other armored vehicles. Whether heavy or light, the battalion consisted of a breakthrough armor company, two attack armor companies, and a repulsorlift company, plus a HQ of 180 men, including 23 extra personnel to service the armored vehicles and 67 vehicle drivers. A heavy armor battalion thus had a total of 601 troops and exactly 1,000 men; a light armor battalion 695 troops out of 1096 men.

Special missions battalion
544 front-line troops, including 88 scout troopers with their speeder bikes, and 202 support personnel, organized in four special missions companies, plus an HQ detail.

Battlegroup: A typical Battlegroup consisted of four Regiments, and four Battlegroups in turn formed a standard Corps. Although precise numbers varied depending on the specific type of unit, the overall strength of most Battlegroups was on the order of roughly 15,000 men, including a little better than 10,000 front-line troops. All Battlegroups had a standard 274-man HQ detail, consisting of the commanding High Colonel, ten senior adjutants ranking as Major or higher, two security platoons and 188 other support personnel.

Brigade: 2 or more Battalions or Regiments

Company: average of 144 soldiers.
four platoons, totaling 144 clone troopers, 16 sergeants and 4 lieutenants, led by a Captain. This gives a company a full strength of 165 soldiers.
Line Company - 156 troops, in four line platoons of 38 men.
Heavy Weapons Company - between 152 and 170 troopers, in two line platoons of 38 men and two heavy weapons platoons of varying size. The troopers in the line platoons of heavy weapons companies were normally armed with light repeating blasters rather than standard blaster rifles, and one man in each platoon sometimes carried a medium repeating blaster.
Repulsorlift Company - 188 troops and 31 repulsorlift vehicles, in two line platoons of 38 men and two repulsorlift platoons of 56 men and 11 combat vehicles, plus a command vehicle and eight support vehicles.
Attack Armor Company (16 heavy tanks) - three tank platoons of 5 tanks and one command tank, plus one heavy weapons repulsorlift platoon with 9 repulsorlift vehicles, and seven support vehicles distributed among the four platoons.
Light Attack Armor Company (28 light tanks) - three tank platoons of 9 tanks and one command tank, plus one heavy weapons repulsorlift platoon with 9 repulsorlift vehicles, and seven support vehicles distributed among the four platoons.
Breakthrough Armor Company - 21 heavy tanks or 37 light tanks, four tank platoons of 5 or 9 tanks each, plus one command tank. A breakthrough company was designed to breach enemy lines and then take out targets beyond the front line; also used for combat operations, during which the support element normally remained at battalion HQ. As a result, breakthrough companies could rarely remain combat-effective for more than three days, and were normally designed for short-term operations.
Special Missions Company - 136 men in three special missions platoons of 38 men and an augmented scout platoon of 22 scout troopers with their speeder bikes. They could often operate without their support element on short missions, and they could be resupplied directly by orbital drops.
Scout Troop - 116 troopers and 40 speeder bikes, in four scout platoons of 19 infantry and 10 scout troopers, plus a command speeder and transports for the support element.
Artillery Battery - 152 gunners in four artillery lines, each with 38 men and four heavy or medium launch tubes, or eight light artillery pieces.

Corps: Republic Army: 36,864 men in total; it was commanded by a Clone Marshal Commander & a Jedi General. 4 Corps in turn formed a Sector Army.

Line Corps: 48,514 front-line troopers from a total muster of 69,199 men, with 2,599 transports & at least 371 armored vehicles
Armor Corps: 3 Armored Battlegroups & 1 Mobile Battlegroup—a total of 48,192 soldiers & 74,794 men overall, with a minimum of 1,292 armored vehicles & 5,128 transports.
Mobile Corps: Mobile Corps mustered 48,504 combat personnel from a total of 71,615, with 5,548 transports & at least 1,113 armored vehicles.

Division: 40,000 troops.

Fighter group: 3 squadrons of starfighters
Fighter wing: Imperial Navy: 6 squadrons or 72 starfighters and bombers
Rebellion Navy: 3 squadrons or 36 starfighters and bombers

Fire Team: 2-5 troopers, 2-4 fire teams made up a squad, usually led by a corporal

Flight, aka Flight Group: 3 4 or 5 starfighters, 3 flights of 4 fighters, or 4 flights of 3 fighters, made up a squadron
Flight element: 2 starfighters

Group: 3 squadrons of 12 fighters each

Legion: Republic: 9,216 troops, normally headed by a Jedi General and a Senior clone commander.
Imperial: 8,192 troops, and are likely to have been led by officers of comparable rank to the High Colonels and Major Generals of the Imperial Army.

Platoon: Grand Army of the Republic: 4 squads, each led by a sergeant, a total of 40 soldiers, led by a Lieutenant.
Imperial Army: 4 squads, each led by a sergeant, a total of 40 soldiers, led by a Lieutenant.
Line platoon - 38 men organized in four squads; the standard infantry platoon.
Assault platoon - 38 men organized in two line squads and two heavy weapons squads was the basic strength, with the heavy weapons squads deploying somewhere around eight E-Webs between them. Often, however, additional heavy weapons details were attached to the platoon: one three-man detail armed with medium repeating blasters was common, for an overall strength of 41 men but up to three such details could be added, or two additional heavy weapons details. The assault platoon was sometimes also known as a heavy weapons platoon.
Artillery line - 38 men organized in four sections, with a total of four heavy or medium launch tubes, or eight light artillery pieces.
Repulsorlift platoon - 56 men, and eleven vehicles: four repulsorlift squads with two repulsorcraft each, plus a command element with two light transports for the Lieutenant and Sergeant Major, and a support vehicle. The two command speeders had two further crew each, while the support craft carried twelve soldiers: four crew, all of whom were also trained as mechanics, and eight other technicians. A heavy weapons repulsorlift platoon was organized similarly, but the vehicles were outfitted with heavier armament, and the component units were classed as heavy weapons repulsorlift squads.
Armor platoon - 34 to 42 men, with numbers varying depending on whether the unit was heavy or light armor (eg. AT-ATs or TX-130T fighter tanks). A heavy armor platoon had four heavy armored vehicles, each with a crew of four or five, while a light armor platoon had eight light tanks with crews of three. Additional to these, each armor platoon had a command tank for the Lieutenant, plus two supporting HTVs each carrying seven personnel: three control crew, all of whom were trained mechanics, and four specialist technicians, respectively specialists in weapons, armor, electronics and engine systems.
Special missions platoon - 38 men organized in four squads; two of sharpshooters, one heavy weapons squad, and one of engineers. Unlike other elements of the Imperial Army, Special Missions soldiers were designed to operate autonomously at the platoon level, deployed on missions where a few crack troops were required rather than a major intervention; as a result, their platoon organization was flexible, with squads exchanging troopers as required, and the platoon was often reorganized as three units with a more equal distribution of troops and skills.
Scout platoon - 29 men, organized in two lances of speeder bikes (known collectively as a scout squadron) plus two line squads. Typically, the Lieutenant commanded the biker scouts, replacing the sergeant in one lance, while the Sergeant Major led the infantry. The augmented scout platoon in a Special Missions Company was rather different in composition, consisting instead of four lances of scout troopers plus a Lieutenant and Sergeant Major, both with their own speeder bikes, for a total of 22 men.

Regiment: Republic: 2,664 clone troopers and officers led by a Jedi Commander or a clone regimental commander. Four of these regiments formed a Legion. However, the Republic also operated regiments of 1000 troopers.
Empire: four battalions, though they could be expanded to contain up to eight. Army regiments contained 2,500 troops, with approximately 1,000 support personnel. Stormtrooper regiments were similar, but had no support personnel. CompForce regiments were also similar to Army regiments, but without security personnel. Imperial Sovereign Protectors were organized into regiments of 400.

Imperial regiments were commanded by Lieutenant Colonels. Four regiments made up a battlegroup, or a legion in the case of stormtroopers.

Sector Army: commanded by a Senior Jedi General, and had a nominal combat strength of 147,456 troopers, divided into four Corps (although it should also be noted that many of the Legions which made up the Corps also included "Corps" within their unit names).

Sector Fleet: 24 Imperial-class star destroyers, with 1,728 TIE fighters
Squad: 4 - 12 troops
Squadron: 12 ships, typically divided into 3 flights of 4 fighters, but could separate into 6 elements of 2 fighters.
Systems Army: Republic: 294,912 Clone Troopers; they were each composed of two Sector Armies, and each commanded by a High Jedi General, often a member of the Jedi High Council.
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In other words it's as I said - different organisations for different arms, in different forces. Look at orbats over the 20th century - even the basic light infantry battalion in a single army has changed beyond recognition between WW1 and Iraq in 2003.

One piece of advice I will give is to ignore anything that references the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic. The idiot who wrote it knows about as much about warfare as a Roman squaddie would about nuclear physics.
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