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stitch626 wrote:I bet the Nimitz could transport a few battalions if it had to. And some tanks. Not like we always need someone to take the planes.
Maybe. I wonder if the deck can handle that much weight as a tank is usually heavier than a plane.
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Since you keep using "someone one up with a number and no one bothered to question it", for more than one ship now, I guess that's it. How can we argue against that logic.

The ISD should carry more because of it size and the "fact" that it only carries 72 because someone came up with that number and no one ever questioned it (no, there aren't a bunch of Star Wars guys that sit around talking Star Wars stuff all of the time, that only happens with Star Trek on Trek sites) No other factors went into that 72 number, none. The Nimitz, however, carries what it carries because of numerous factors and lots of stuff in mind, not just a random number that no one put any thought into and no one ever questioned. Same with the Tico, pure random, no thought, no one questioned it. Unlike the extreme amount of thought and science that went into the 85-90 number of the Nimitz.

It is a shame that no one has ever questioned the use or utility of the ISD. No one has ever bothered to think about what the empire does and what they would need/use to do what they do. No one has ever bothered to diagram the inside of an ISD. No one has ever put any thought into the completely random and meaningless 72 TIEs number. Well, there are only about what, three dozen Star Wars fans out there so I guess it names sense. Or, there are millions of Star Wars fans, fans the have websites that discuss such topics, fans that dress up, fans that play games that require exact specs , and reasons for said specs, of ships, fans that make websites to discuss thing, fans that make things like Wookiepedia.... But no....no one has ever questioned it. You are right.

The 72 number is complete bull. 144 is a MUCH more logical number, it should be 144. Here is the math: 2+2=4. It is so obvious.

144

I'll send an email to the relatively uninvolved Star Wars fan base so that they can stop using that completely unquestioneor unthought about 72 number.
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Maybe you should tell them to use 12 or 156, 720, or 1.5.

Well, since I keep using that logic. Then I must be wrong, right? I mean holy shit. We have precise numbers for a StR Trek ship's shuttle capacity right? Wait no we don't. We assume numbers based on what we see and examples.

But hey, use 72 for an ISD. Make up a reason for it. I do not care. Like I said from the god damned motherfucking beginning that an I didn't get the god damned motherfucking number 72 because a ISD is fucking huge. Does anyone fucking understand what the fuck I am trying to say? Where do I say anything about I am right and you wrong? Where did I say 72 was a bad number? No I gave the Nimitz class example to show why I thought 72 was too low.

But hey, let me grab this cross so you guys can crucify me for disagreeing with a number.

BTW, a Tico is a real ship.
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McAvoy wrote:BTW, a Tico is a real ship.
So's the Nimitz. You used it to show why you thought 72 was too low, I used the Tico as a counterexample.
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I guess you completely lost the point when I used an aircraft carrier as an example on flight operations for 72 craft. I could have used a LHD, a mini flat top. I could have used a Soviet hybrid vessel. But I chose to use a Nimitz class carrier as an example for FLIGHT OPERATIONS. Understood?

So please point out to me where I said anything about I want a ISD being a dedicated carrier? All I have done is point out a ISD could easily carry 144 fighters and I thought 72 was too low.

But hey you win. Battleships do not carry many planes. Neither do cruisers or destroyers. Even small patrol ships are big enough to carry planes.

So let's use them all in how to handle 72 planes... wait... so how can we use those types of ships if they cannot hold that many to point out flight operations. Yeah you got me. I must be an idiot. 72 is a great number but just because. Case closed right?
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McAvoy wrote:I guess you completely lost the point when I used an aircraft carrier as an example on flight operations for 72 craft. I could have used a LHD, a mini flat top. I could have used a Soviet hybrid vessel. But I chose to use a Nimitz class carrier as an example for FLIGHT OPERATIONS. Understood?

So please point out to me where I said anything about I want a ISD being a dedicated carrier? All I have done is point out a ISD could easily carry 144 fighters and I thought 72 was too low.

But hey you win. Battleships do not carry many planes. Neither do cruisers or destroyers. Even small patrol ships are big enough to carry planes.

So let's use them all in how to handle 72 planes... wait... so how can we use those types of ships if they cannot hold that many to point out flight operations. Yeah you got me. I must be an idiot. 72 is a great number but just because. Case closed right?
True. Still, the fact remains that according to some info the ISD only carries 72 fighters. Now multiply that by 4 (due to the number of ISDs that I have) and I will be able to carry 288 fighters onto the battlefield just using those ships alone.
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McAvoy wrote: 72 is a great number but just because. Case closed right?
No, 72 is a good number because of all the other things they carry, along with the enormous size of their hyperdrive and power systems for the turbolasers, and operational space, and mostly because of its design purpose.
Their hanger itself isn't even 10% of the ship. And most is empty space so that corvettes (and a few small frigates) can be taken in.

The Nimitz doesn't carry tanks because it was not designed to storm a beach. It doesn't carry the President on a cruise because it wasn't intended to.

The ISD was not designed as a space combat carrier. You could call it as escort (rather large for one, but there are much larger ships so...), an armored transport, a counterinsurgency vessel, but it isn't a carrier for space ops. The fighter compliment is purely for its own protection from bombers, and to add to the fleet during fleet ops.
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stitch626 wrote:
McAvoy wrote: 72 is a great number but just because. Case closed right?
No, 72 is a good number because of all the other things they carry, along with the enormous size of their hyperdrive and power systems for the turbolasers, and operational space, and mostly because of its design purpose.
Their hanger itself isn't even 10% of the ship. And most is empty space so that corvettes (and a few small frigates) can be taken in.

The Nimitz doesn't carry tanks because it was not designed to storm a beach. It doesn't carry the President on a cruise because it wasn't intended to.

The ISD was not designed as a space combat carrier. You could call it as escort (rather large for one, but there are much larger ships so...), an armored transport, a counterinsurgency vessel, but it isn't a carrier for space ops. The fighter compliment is purely for its own protection from bombers, and to add to the fleet during fleet ops.
I agree.
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