Deepcrush wrote:Simple answer would be "yes" that the Empire's actions were legal, it was the Emperor in ANH who broke the law. Remember that up to ANH, the Senate continued to over see much of what went on and even kept the Emperor in check. It wasn't until the Emperor dissolved the Senate that the Rebellion gained any real strength. Up to that point, the Rebellion was as much a terrorist movement as it was anything else.
GrahamKennedy wrote:When the Stormtroopers patrol through my neighbourhood and one of them blasts my mom because she looked at him funny, does he actually have the legal authority to do that?
Teaos wrote:Illegal under their own laws? Probably not.
But as soon as that government gets over thrown the new government puts in new laws and retroactively charged them,
Atekimogus wrote:As to 1, a good point could probably be made that those Jedis are just a bunch of enemies of the state and vigilantes. Like superheroes in comics they assume authority just because they say so without sanction from the state which alone would be reason enough to view them as regime-enemies.
As to 2, a good old fashined power play transforming a republic into a monarchy. Reminds me more of Octavian Augustus than....Hitler for example. Also the fact that at this point they already call the Emperor "Emperor" seems to indicate that he is viewed as legitimate sovereign at this point. Nothing to shocking and nothing the romans didn't do two thousand years ago.
As to 3, probably the only indefensible point. Destroying a whole planet seems over the top even if the whole planet would be crawling with rebels. But then again it would have been interesting what would have happened to Tarkin if he had survived....
In short, aliens in the Palpatine Empire seem to be better of than, let's say, a black person in 1950 USA.
Deepcrush wrote:Remember that the whole Empire wasn't over thrown.
Captain Seafort wrote:On the contrary - TMP clear depicts the Jedi as operating as special envoys of the Chancellor, and by RotS they were serving as officers in the Republic's military, again under the authority of the Chancellor in his capacity as C-in-C of said military. Their opposition to the Empire originated in their attempt to arrest said Chancellor for treason (i.e. passing military useful information to the CIS).
Captain Seafort wrote:Not much, I expect, and in describing the destruction of Alderaan as the only indefensible point you're forgetting the Empire's widespread use of torture and summary execution.
Captain Seafort wrote:You could probably say much the same about Jews in mid-30s Germany.
Captain Seafort wrote:Deepcrush wrote:Remember that the whole Empire wasn't over thrown.
Yes it was - the Empire collapsed shortly after Palaptine's final death on Onderon, with the death of Xandel Carivus. The Imperial Remnant grew out of the alliance of warlord states Daala put together following the failure of her own campaign against the New Republic, and had no direct link whatsoever to the original Galactic Republic/Empire.
Atekimogus wrote:Now I am not saying all is swell in the Empire.......but as far as regimes go, they are actually far from the worst that there have ever been.
Deepcrush wrote:Reformation isn't the same as being overthrown.
The Empire's power base collapsed but the Empire as a political structure survived
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