Mon Calamari tech

[Sionnach Glic]

It would also allow the Mon Cal' vessel to fire directly into the hanger bay, which would undoubtedly be bad news for the ISD.
Of course, the ISD could just invert itself.

WRT the ISDs, I follow the line of thinking that Seafort (IIRC) brought up regarding its role. A Star Destroyer is more like a dedicated anti-insurgency vessel than a true warship, which is probably why converted cruise liners and Clone Wars era vessels pose a threat to it.

[Deepcrush]

It would also allow the Mon Cal' vessel to fire directly into the hanger bay, which would undoubtedly be bad news for the ISD. Of course, the ISD could just invert itself.

I think I said as much. Though as to the ISD inverting. Maybe it will, or maybe the MC will just keep pace and rape her. By that point the ISD won't be in anywhere near as good of shape as she'd like to be.

WRT the ISDs, I follow the line of thinking that Seafort (IIRC) brought up regarding its role. A Star Destroyer is more like a dedicated anti-insurgency vessel than a true warship, which is probably why converted cruise liners and Clone Wars era vessels pose a threat to it.

It faces the same problem that all JoAT ships suffer from. Any ship of equal size or even lesser size, that is dedicated will surpass it.

[Sionnach Glic]

I think I said as much. Though as to the ISD inverting. Maybe it will, or maybe the MC will just keep pace and rape her. By that point the ISD won't be in anywhere near as good of shape as she'd like to be.

I have my doubts that an MC could reposition itself in space quicker than an ISD could roll. It would have to have some pretty damn good accelleration and maneouverability to manage such a feat, and ISDs are no slugs by their own right.

It faces the same problem that all JoAT ships suffer from. Any ship of equal size or even lesser size, that is dedicated will surpass it.

Agreed. The MC ships, while converted from passenger liners, were at least converted with one purpose in mind. The ISD, by virtue of being an anti-insurgency platform, simply doesn't match up. Hell, I'd actually be able to believe that a Venator could take on an ISD with favourable chances.

[Captain Seafort]

Hell, I'd actually be able to believe that a Venator could take on an ISD with favourable chances.

I doubt it - the ISD is still a tough, powerful ship, and it's built for ship-to-ship combat, despite the scale of the hangars and troop quarters. The VenStar is a carrier with some heavy guns thrown on almost as an afterthought.

[Deepcrush]

Hell, I'd actually be able to believe that a Venator could take on an ISD with favourable chances.

I doubt it - the ISD is still a tough, powerful ship, and it's built for ship-to-ship combat, despite the scale of the hangars and troop quarters. The VenStar is a carrier with some heavy guns thrown on almost as an afterthought.

I disagree that the guns were an after thought. Though I do agree that a Venator would lose against an ISD. Base being that both have 8 heavy turrets. But while the Venator has IIRC around 24 secondary weapons. The ISD has over fifty.

I have my doubts that an MC could reposition itself in space quicker than an ISD could roll. It would have to have some pretty damn good accelleration and maneouverability to manage such a feat, and ISDs are no slugs by their own right.

That was why I added the maybe in there. Get up close and swirl the ISD. While you might not stay in position forever. You could be there long enough to inflict enough damage to give the MC the edge. This being the MC80 I'm talking about of course.

Agreed. The MC ships, while converted from passenger liners, were at least converted with one purpose in mind. The ISD, by virtue of being an anti-insurgency platform, simply doesn't match up. Hell, I'd actually be able to believe that a Venator could take on an ISD with favourable chances.

The MC90 wasn't a coverted liner. That's the MC80s you're thinking of. The MC90s were purpose built anti-cap warships.

[Captain Seafort]

I disagree that the guns were an after thought.

Maybe not an afterthought, but the VenStar was clearly a carrier first and a gunship second, while the ISD is a carrier and gunship equally.

Though I do agree that a Venator would lose against an ISD. Base being that both have 8 heavy turrets. But while the Venator has IIRC around 24 secondary weapons. The ISD has over fifty.

The VenStar had over fifty PD guns, but the ISD, assuming the WEG stats are taken to refer to PD, had 120. Either way, the PD guns would be irrelevant - MT- and GT-range weapons are too small to affect capship shields. They key is power generation, which we should be able to get a loose estimate of by going by reactor volume, and the VenStar's reactor is roughly an eighth the volume of an ISD's.

[Deepcrush]

Maybe not an afterthought, but the VenStar was clearly a carrier first and a gunship second, while the ISD is a carrier and gunship equally.

Agreed.

The VenStar had over fifty PD guns, but the ISD, assuming the WEG stats are taken to refer to PD, had 120. Either way, the PD guns would be irrelevant - MT- and GT-range weapons are too small to affect capship shields. They key is power generation, which we should be able to get a loose estimate of by going by reactor volume, and the VenStar's reactor is roughly an eighth the volume of an ISD's.

Sorry, I was speaking on their secondary turbolasers, not PD weapons. I should have pointed that out. Though, we seem to agree the outcome would not favor a Ven.

[Sionnach Glic]

Aye, fair point there.

That was why I added the maybe in there. Get up close and swirl the ISD. While you might not stay in position forever. You could be there long enough to inflict enough damage to give the MC the edge. This being the MC80 I'm talking about of course.

It would only take one or two shots penetrating the shields and hitting the interior of the hanger to cause some serious damage.

The MC90 wasn't a coverted liner. That's the MC80s you're thinking of. The MC90s were purpose built anti-cap warships.

Ah, right. My mistake. I never really took any interest in the Mon Cal vessels myself.

[Deepcrush]

It would only take one or two shots penetrating the shields and hitting the interior of the hanger to cause some serious damage.

Pretty much. If that shot lands anywhere near the main power plant. You're talking massive internal damage. Which in response would weaken both the shields and weapons of the ISD. So when round two came. MC still at full, ISD crippled, game set match. As long as the ISD doesn't get the MC in her forward sights first...

Ah, right. My mistake. I never really took any interest in the Mon Cal vessels myself.

MonCal ships are amazing things. They put an incredible amount of effort into everything they do with them. As such they were always my favorite ships of the SW fleets.

[Captain Seafort]

If that shot lands anywhere near the main power plant. You're talking massive internal damage.

If a shot from a heavy capship gun hits an unshielded vessel, especially if it goes through the hangar, you're not talking about "massive internal damage", you're talking about no more ship.

Look at 6:17 - the ISD in the centre of the shot.

[Deepcrush]

I was thinking more along the line of 0:56 here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cU0BYXlTuI

(Mind me, I'm no good at changing things into a pretty url type thing on here. )

[Captain Seafort]

Pfft. That's not a heavy gun - that's jury-rigged field artillery crippling a light destroyer. If the VenStar had been in a position to use it's big topside guns that thing would have been plasma.

[Deepcrush]

Pfft. That's not a heavy gun - that's jury-rigged field artillery crippling a light destroyer. If the VenStar had been in a position to use it's big topside guns that thing would have been plasma.

As far as I've seen those guns ARE one of those heavy guns. Just attached to a field artillery piece. Also, that destroyer was more then crippled, she was cut in half.

[Captain Seafort]

Like I said - crippled. In a space action a ship cut in half can still shoot and can still be a nuisance - look at how well (relatively speaking) the IH handled even after she lost the aft end. A ship reduced to plasma like that ISD isn't going to cause anyone any trouble.

[Deepcrush]

Like I said - crippled. In a space action a ship cut in half can still shoot and can still be a nuisance - look at how well (relatively speaking) the IH handled even after she lost the aft end. A ship reduced to plasma like that ISD isn't going to cause anyone any trouble.

Fair enough, point taken.