Were the Jedi justified in removing Palpatine?

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Thank you Seafort... saying that made me sick...

Part of what made Palpatine so successful is that he became Chancellor is he did it while looking totally legal in the process. He made the people want him in that position.
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"I will MAKE IS legal." And he did, cackling all the way. he played the galaxy like a fiddle while it burned.
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Pretty much... And if he wouldn't have started the Humans First and Terror Plans he would have pulled it through IMO.
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I've always wondered about that. How long into his 25 year reign was it before he started screwing non humans over?
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I'd be very surprised if Palpatine was ever much interested in the racist aspects of the Empire - at most he'd have considered High Human Culture a useful tool to keep the Coruscanti and the like in line. Personally I think he was far more likely to discriminate on the grounds of Force-sensitivity than species (note that his own Master, Darth Plagueis, was a Muun, his first apprentice was a Zabrak, and two of his closest aides during the Clone Wars, Mas Amedda and Sly Moore, were Chagrian and Umbaran respectively).
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I'd actually wondered about that for the longest time. When I first saw Darth Maul, his "racist" attitude made no sense.
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How much of that is really canon though? I don't recall anywhere in ep 4-6 where there seemed to be any actual racism. Yeah mostly humans in Imp uniforms but I don't think it was ever said only humans could serve.
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In Star Wars where almost everything that is published IS cannon? Many different sources allude to that. Plus the fact that we ONLY saw humans in uniform.
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How many non-human rebels did we see? I can think of Chewie and a bunch of Mon Cals. That's it. Based on the available evidence, it's simply the case that humans are by far the most common species in the galaxy.
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Mark wrote:In Star Wars where almost everything that is published IS cannon? Many different sources allude to that. Plus the fact that we ONLY saw humans in uniform.
I meant the movies since they're the highest level of "canon". Yes we only saw humans in uniform, but we also saw that the GAR was also exclusively human from what we saw in the movies. Since the GAR became the Imperial Military that tradition may very well have carried over. Outside of Tatooine humans seem to predominate anyways.
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In ANH we only saw humans amongst the Rebel Alliance.
In ESB we only saw humans amongst the Rebel Alliance.
In RotJ we only saw one other race in any real number amongst the Rebel Alliance.

You can make just as good a case for the Rebel Alliance being a racist (speciesist?) organisation as the Empire.
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The rascism is mostly from the novels/comics, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if it was instituted by his underlings.
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Important to remember...

What we see in the movies is only ONE rebel force. They just end up being the strongest, best funded and most influential.
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Aye. There's a focre over at Kuat ready to start hijacking ships during Endor.
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And the Mon Cal's rebelled before hand. The Corillians did the same. And then there's the Bothans.
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