Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby Nutso » Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:34 pm

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Still think Mark Hamill’s Luke Skywalker was the “last Jedi” referenced in the title of the eighth episode of Star Wars’s Skywalker Saga? Think again. In the original version of the ninth and final installment, The Rise of Skywalker, his sister, Leia (played by Carrie Fisher), was going to emerge as a full-fledged Jedi warrior, complete with her very own lightsaber. That’s according to no less an authority than Fisher’s real-life brother, Todd Fisher, who filled us in on what the plan was for his sister’s iconic character prior to her sudden death in December 2016. “She was going to be the big payoff in the final film,” Fisher reveals exclusively to Yahoo Entertainment. “She was going to be the last Jedi, so to speak. That’s cool right?” (Watch our video interview above.)

Cool is an understatement: It’s positively wizard. Leia’s Force abilities were teased in a key scene of Rian Johnson’s The Last Jedi, and the Resistance general apparently would have had the chance to get even more physical in The Rise of Skywalker. “People used to say to me, ‘Why is it that Carrie never gets a lightsaber and chops up some bad guys,’” Fisher says, noting that Alec Guinness was roughly the same age when Obi-Wan Kenobi battled Darth Vader in A New Hope. “Obi-Wan was in his prime when he was Carrie’s age!”
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:15 pm

"That’s cool right?"

Um... no. Not really. No it isn't.

Good lord, you have to wonder what goes through these people's heads sometimes.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby McAvoy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 1:23 am

That last line though. Kenobi was not in his prime when he fought Vader in New Hope. All of the behind scenes even say that during the making of the film itself too.

The way the past two movies have been I doubt they would have made it good anyway.

To be honest, it would have made sense if Luke was the last Jedi. The last Jedi under the old rules and codes. Where Rey is the new breed, like a Gray Jedi of sorts. But that is of course if she was written better than she has been.

Like she was written walking that fine like between Jedi and Sith, Light and Dark for the past two movies.

It would have been better for example Rey actually going Dark Side to defeat Snoke herself and perhaps going into hiding afterwards with Emo Vader looking for her in the end of the second movie.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby Graham Kennedy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:19 am

I'm not sure if I just don't remember, but do we even know who "The Last Jedi" is supposed to be? I mean, shouldn't we know that after the film that has that as the title? But you could argue that it's Luke, or maybe Rey given that they seem not to want to bother with the whole training to be a Jedi thing. But I don't remember the film really even implying an answer either way.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby Nutso » Fri Nov 08, 2019 3:47 am

At the end, Kylo claims by killing Luke, he will have killed the last Jedi, at which point Luke responds that everything Kylo said was wrong and "I will not be the last Jedi." So it's got to be Rey, according to the movie.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby McAvoy » Fri Nov 08, 2019 4:39 am

Graham Kennedy wrote:I'm not sure if I just don't remember, but do we even know who "The Last Jedi" is supposed to be? I mean, shouldn't we know that after the film that has that as the title? But you could argue that it's Luke, or maybe Rey given that they seem not to want to bother with the whole training to be a Jedi thing. But I don't remember the film really even implying an answer either way.


It was pretty ham fisted as being Rey. I mean only three Force users left, Luke and Kylo weren't talking about each other. So it was Rey. Of course this is the movie that was supposed to subvert your expectations.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby Captain Seafort » Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:13 pm

Graham Kennedy wrote:I'm not sure if I just don't remember, but do we even know who "The Last Jedi" is supposed to be? I mean, shouldn't we know that after the film that has that as the title? But you could argue that it's Luke, or maybe Rey given that they seem not to want to bother with the whole training to be a Jedi thing. But I don't remember the film really even implying an answer either way.


Or all of the above. The German title was "Die letzten Jedi" - the plural form of the word.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby McAvoy » Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:29 pm

Honestly if having Leia being the last Jedi was the plan then it was a dumb idea. I thought this Sequel Trilogy was to create a new set of characters while sort of phasing (killing off, retiring etc) the old ones. You got a young female Jedi in training (though she requires no training apparently) that can easily be the next or last Jedi. But to skip Rey and make a 60 something old Leia walking around with a cane the Last Jedi? Yeah just dumb.

To me it sounds like one of many idea they were coming up with for the trilogy. Though it after the last two movies it looks like they are just winging it.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:13 pm

McAvoy wrote:
Graham Kennedy wrote:I'm not sure if I just don't remember, but do we even know who "The Last Jedi" is supposed to be? I mean, shouldn't we know that after the film that has that as the title? But you could argue that it's Luke, or maybe Rey given that they seem not to want to bother with the whole training to be a Jedi thing. But I don't remember the film really even implying an answer either way.


It was pretty ham fisted as being Rey. I mean only three Force users left, Luke and Kylo weren't talking about each other. So it was Rey. Of course this is the movie that was supposed to subvert your expectations.

I really wish someone would explain to me how 'subverting' my expectations is a good thing. I went in 'expecting' to love the Last Jedi and be entertained. Well, that sure as hell got subverted! :roll:
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby McAvoy » Wed Nov 13, 2019 11:35 pm

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
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Graham Kennedy wrote:I'm not sure if I just don't remember, but do we even know who "The Last Jedi" is supposed to be? I mean, shouldn't we know that after the film that has that as the title? But you could argue that it's Luke, or maybe Rey given that they seem not to want to bother with the whole training to be a Jedi thing. But I don't remember the film really even implying an answer either way.


It was pretty ham fisted as being Rey. I mean only three Force users left, Luke and Kylo weren't talking about each other. So it was Rey. Of course this is the movie that was supposed to subvert your expectations.

I really wish someone would explain to me how 'subverting' my expectations is a good thing. I went in 'expecting' to love the Last Jedi and be entertained. Well, that sure as hell got subverted! :roll:


Subverting expectations is not a bad thing but the execution of the Last Jedi just didn't work. They played it safe. Rian Johnson also did it where it would made no sense or dragged the story down.

The Casino Planet was useless. Holdo withholding information even the face of a mutiny that could destroy whatever 'plan' she had all along. Luke being a dick the entire movie (honestly this could have easily been any Hermit Jedi and it would have been the same).

Subverting our expectations would have been for example: Rey going Dark Side and Rylo Ken going Light. Everyone went in knowing who was Dark and who was Light Side.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:33 am

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
McAvoy wrote:
Graham Kennedy wrote:I'm not sure if I just don't remember, but do we even know who "The Last Jedi" is supposed to be? I mean, shouldn't we know that after the film that has that as the title? But you could argue that it's Luke, or maybe Rey given that they seem not to want to bother with the whole training to be a Jedi thing. But I don't remember the film really even implying an answer either way.


It was pretty ham fisted as being Rey. I mean only three Force users left, Luke and Kylo weren't talking about each other. So it was Rey. Of course this is the movie that was supposed to subvert your expectations.

I really wish someone would explain to me how 'subverting' my expectations is a good thing. I went in 'expecting' to love the Last Jedi and be entertained. Well, that sure as hell got subverted! :roll:

It CAN be a good thing.

Remember The Shining? As things go bad in the hotel, the black caretaker guy gets a psychic call and heads to the hotel. You expect he'll arrive in time to help - he's basically the cavalry riding to the rescue, and the tension lies in whether he'll arrive in time to help! Then two minutes after he arrives Nicholson puts an axe in his chest and oh shit, NOW what's going to happen?!

Same thing in Deep Blue Sea. You hire Sam Jackson, have him give one of his infamous shouty speeches, and then he's chomped by a shark half way through?! Man, that was the most famous actor in the film, NOW what?

Scream did the same thing - you don't expect the most famous member of the cast to be killed off 10 minutes into the film, but she is. The film goes out of its way to point out that women who have sex in slasher movies die... then not three minutes later, it shows the heroine having sex. Since they've already established that "anyone can die", they build the expectation that maybe she really will - only she doesn't. Then they set up the "killer comes back to life" scene that we've all seen a hundred times... only to have a character explicitly point out that this happens, and as he wakes to lunge at them, the heroine shoots him between the eyes and says "not in my movie".

Scream sets up and then subverts expectations all over the place, and it's fantastic - because it does it in a clever and interesting way and leaves you not knowing what's about to happen, but wanting to know.

But you can't have weird random shit happening that barely has anything to do with the rest of the film and then claim it's good simply because nobody expected it... yeah, that's some BS right there.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby McAvoy » Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:17 am

But you can't have weird random shit happening that barely has anything to do with the rest of the film and then claim it's good simply because nobody expected it... yeah, that's some BS right there.


Exactly. If you constantly do it then you end up having people expecting the unexpected.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby AlexMcpherson79 » Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:35 am

But if you expect the unexpected, that its not unexpected. So what is unexpected?
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby McAvoy » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:53 pm

The expected of course. In that you don't expect it because now that you expect the unexpected that now becomes the expected and the expected becomes the unexpected.

But seriously, if you overdo the whole 'subverting expectations' you end up making it the opposite.

For some reasons people liked this as their main reason for liking the movie.
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Re: Carrie Fisher "was going to be the last Jedi"

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Mon Nov 18, 2019 6:37 pm

Graham Kennedy wrote:
RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:
McAvoy wrote:
It was pretty ham fisted as being Rey. I mean only three Force users left, Luke and Kylo weren't talking about each other. So it was Rey. Of course this is the movie that was supposed to subvert your expectations.

I really wish someone would explain to me how 'subverting' my expectations is a good thing. I went in 'expecting' to love the Last Jedi and be entertained. Well, that sure as hell got subverted! :roll:

It CAN be a good thing.

Remember The Shining? As things go bad in the hotel, the black caretaker guy gets a psychic call and heads to the hotel. You expect he'll arrive in time to help - he's basically the cavalry riding to the rescue, and the tension lies in whether he'll arrive in time to help! Then two minutes after he arrives Nicholson puts an axe in his chest and oh shit, NOW what's going to happen?!

Same thing in Deep Blue Sea. You hire Sam Jackson, have him give one of his infamous shouty speeches, and then he's chomped by a shark half way through?! Man, that was the most famous actor in the film, NOW what?

Scream did the same thing - you don't expect the most famous member of the cast to be killed off 10 minutes into the film, but she is. The film goes out of its way to point out that women who have sex in slasher movies die... then not three minutes later, it shows the heroine having sex. Since they've already established that "anyone can die", they build the expectation that maybe she really will - only she doesn't. Then they set up the "killer comes back to life" scene that we've all seen a hundred times... only to have a character explicitly point out that this happens, and as he wakes to lunge at them, the heroine shoots him between the eyes and says "not in my movie".

Scream sets up and then subverts expectations all over the place, and it's fantastic - because it does it in a clever and interesting way and leaves you not knowing what's about to happen, but wanting to know.

But you can't have weird random shit happening that barely has anything to do with the rest of the film and then claim it's good simply because nobody expected it... yeah, that's some BS right there.


Okay, explained this way, yes. You're right that it's good to have the audience guessing. At least to the extent these movies did. But like in Last Jedi, random shit like what they did doesn't work. Or seeming to actively try and, well, for lack of a better term, 'subvert' what was set up by the previous movie.

One thing, though. I've never actually seen the Shining. Deep Blue Sea and Scream, yes. Hell, Scream is my 'favorite' slasher movie, for as much as I can like a slasher movie. :P
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