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STXI Nit

Postby stitch626 » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:42 pm

Just watched it at school last night, and I noticed something.

In the opening, after the Kelvin first gets hit by uber torp number one, the chief engineer (I think it was the chief) reported weapons offline. Then, a few second later, they fired weapons.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Captain Picard's Hair » Sat Oct 03, 2009 3:48 pm

Yeah, I'd caught that too. That scene, while exiting and visually stimulating, wasn't the most consistent ever filmed. I also sometimes wonder why, after Kelvin's weapons went down and George Kirk decided to ram the Narada, she wasn't destroyed by torps before she hit? Unlike Spock's warp ship, she didn't have Big E clearing a path for her!

Really, it was a miracle that this ship survived while a whole armada of stronger ships from the future was cannon fodder for Narada...
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Captain Seafort » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:03 pm

Captain Picard's Hair wrote:I also sometimes wonder why, after Kelvin's weapons went down and George Kirk decided to ram the Narada, she wasn't destroyed by torps before she hit?


Because, while the Narada's powerful, she isn't that powerful - the Kelvin was getting shot to pieces, but not quickly enough to destroy her before she hit.

Really, it was a miracle that this ship survived while a whole armada of stronger ships from the future was cannon fodder for Narada...


The Kelvin didn't survive, and the ships over Vulcan weren't utterly destroyed - they were reduced to hulks, but that's not the same as being completed ripped apart, which is what would have been required to stop the Kelvin's run.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Captain Picard's Hair » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:20 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:The Kelvin didn't survive,


Well, survive as long as she did, I meant. It's hard to be sure how long it was between when the rest of the fleet arrived before Enterprise did, but the impression I get was that those ships were turned into hulks a lot sooner than Kelvin was (that battle was already over when Enterprise arrived!). Of course, on reflection you are right that Kelvin was already a hulk by the time she impacted, but Narada seemed to do that to a larger number of bigger and stronger ships in not much more time, and Kelvin did last long enough to both launch and protect all those shuttles.

Maybe the Narada was intent on simply rendering the ships useless (that's efficient strategy - why bother devastating them once they're already dead in space?), or the shuttles Kelvin launched themselves drew fire from Kelvin herself. OTOH, the main strength of Narada's torps was their ability to defeat shields, they weren't that powerful against the ships themselves...
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby stitch626 » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:22 pm

or the shuttles Kelvin launched themselves drew fire from Kelvin herself.

yes they did. You can see the Kelvin shooting down torps meant for the shuttles for a brief second.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Captain Picard's Hair » Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:23 pm

stitch626 wrote:
or the shuttles Kelvin launched themselves drew fire from Kelvin herself.

yes they did. You can see the Kelvin shooting down torps meant for the shuttles for a brief second.


Yes, I remember that shot.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:27 pm

I guess it's not impossible that she lost weapons and then a repair crew managed to restore them, is it?
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby stitch626 » Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:37 pm

True... it could have been a few seconds fluctuation in the power grid that temporarily killed power to the weapons...
It still isn't a nice hole for them to leave.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Mark » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:10 am

I suppose the full speed run may have gotten the Kelvin inside the Narada's field of fire, allowing it to survive until impact.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Captain Picard's Hair » Fri Oct 09, 2009 4:25 am

Mark wrote:I suppose the full speed run may have gotten the Kelvin inside the Narada's field of fire, allowing it to survive until impact.


I did think of that too (that for Spock's twirl-a-ma-ship too), too! Though, Kelvin hung on quite nicely to make it that far I thought.

Also, the opening battle is uber cool of course, but it's sort of odd that for all the fire Kelvin pours out we really never see where most of it is going! We can surmise it didn't do much to the Narada herself...
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Mikey » Fri Oct 09, 2009 2:21 pm

Well the Narada was really big. A great quantity of fire could have struck it with no two shots impacting the same place; and the vast majority of incoming fire was likely to have struck non-vital points.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby stitch626 » Fri Oct 09, 2009 11:16 pm

Also, it seemed that the majority of the Kelvins fire was directed at the torps of doom coming at it and the shuttles.
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Praeothmin » Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:14 pm

well, most of the weapons the Kelvin fired seemed like Point-Defense weapons, made specifically with torpedoes and small craft interception in mind, so it's likely that even if those weapons fired, they were less powerful then the standard Phasers while having a greater ROF...
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Mark » Sat Nov 28, 2009 10:54 am

I just noticed a nit of my own. When Kirk and Spock beam to the Narada..........their phasers have "kicks". What logical sense can a phaser have a recoil?????
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Re: STXI Nit

Postby Nickswitz » Sat Nov 28, 2009 1:32 pm

Mark wrote:I just noticed a nit of my own. When Kirk and Spock beam to the Narada..........their phasers have "kicks". What logical sense can a phaser have a recoil?????


In all logical sense, a Nadion is a particle, which has energy, and a mass, and ever action has an equal an opposite reaction... So why wouldn't it.
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