When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

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When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby Nutso » Sun Aug 27, 2017 3:44 am

I was with a friend and I burst out laughing. He looked at me with a WTF look.
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby DonP » Sun Aug 27, 2017 5:07 am

If I recall correctly, I closed my eyes with a sigh of despair. (I did find the movie as a whole generally enjoyable, though)
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby IanKennedy » Mon Aug 28, 2017 3:01 pm

I'm pretty sure my reaction was. "Write you're own f**king stuff".
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby stitch626 » Mon Aug 28, 2017 11:20 pm

I single face palmed.
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby Graham Kennedy » Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:05 am

Pretty much "Ha! They went there!"

Oddly, I thought that whilst Quinto did a superb job as Spock overall, this was really not one of his better moments. His yell came across very flat to me, no intensity or emotion in it.

Look at Shatner's yell :



First, look at the context. Khan's wonderful little speech, dripping with malice and yet delivered in such a calm manner. "I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her, marooned for all eternity at the centre of a dead planet. Buried alive... buried alive..."

And that last bit... I always wondered about that. We see him say "buried alive", and then cut to Kirk and hear it again. So is that Kirk hearing what Khan just said, and we're hearing the same thing twice? Or did Khan actually say it twice? Because if he said it twice, it's even more creepy! It's like he's trying to relive the thought over and over, as if merely saying the words is giving him a thrill. It's chilling!

And then look at Kirk. He's quite literally shaking with anger in the moments before he yells. You see his rage before you ever hear it. And although fans tend to write it as something like "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!" the yell itself is actually quite restrained. It lasts one beat, no more or less. I wonder if it doesn't get overblown in people's memories because we subsequently hear an echo, which makes it feel like it goes on longer than it does - and incidentally, hearing it twice is a very deliberate echo of a moment ago, when we heard Khan say "buried alive..." twice. The villain and the hero mirror one another, because this is Kirk lost in rage exactly the way that Khan is lost in rage. A subtle little touch, yes?

And look at the camera, the way it pushes in on Kirk, emphasising him, increasing our connection with him. This few seconds is FULL of subtle little clever touches. No, it is emphatically not just "Oh, Shatner over acted."

Now Quinto :



There's basically nothing. Spock looks kind of angry, in a subdued way. He slowly looks up and yells "Khaaaaaaaan" - and note, unlike Shatner he does keep it going for quite a while. But there's no real power in it, and no real emotion to it. Maybe Quinto just doesn't have the voice for yelling the way Shatner has or something, but it seems rather weak to me. And there's nothing much in the way of non-verbal stuff going on in the moment. The music swells to it, but that's about it.

To me it comes across very much as a scene that JJ thought would be a big deal to the fans, but without his really having any understanding of why the original was so impactful.
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby Mikey » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:37 am

I thought, "I wish they hadn't attempted that."
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby T'Pau » Fri Sep 29, 2017 8:17 pm

I always appreciate those little moments in the Jaybrams universe, that harken back to the original timeline. They remind us that some things in every possible universe, remain the same. There were a few too many of those in this film, culminating in the half hearted Khan yell.
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby Black Jesus » Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:18 am

I thought it was derivative, pandering, and I may have muttered, " oh for fuck's sake." Abrams is, at best, a second-rate storyteller, and that's being generous.
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Nov 08, 2017 1:18 pm

Graham Kennedy wrote:Pretty much "Ha! They went there!"

Oddly, I thought that whilst Quinto did a superb job as Spock overall, this was really not one of his better moments. His yell came across very flat to me, no intensity or emotion in it.

Look at Shatner's yell :



First, look at the context. Khan's wonderful little speech, dripping with malice and yet delivered in such a calm manner. "I shall leave you as you left me, as you left her, marooned for all eternity at the centre of a dead planet. Buried alive... buried alive..."

And that last bit... I always wondered about that. We see him say "buried alive", and then cut to Kirk and hear it again. So is that Kirk hearing what Khan just said, and we're hearing the same thing twice? Or did Khan actually say it twice? Because if he said it twice, it's even more creepy! It's like he's trying to relive the thought over and over, as if merely saying the words is giving him a thrill. It's chilling!

And then look at Kirk. He's quite literally shaking with anger in the moments before he yells. You see his rage before you ever hear it. And although fans tend to write it as something like "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!" the yell itself is actually quite restrained. It lasts one beat, no more or less. I wonder if it doesn't get overblown in people's memories because we subsequently hear an echo, which makes it feel like it goes on longer than it does - and incidentally, hearing it twice is a very deliberate echo of a moment ago, when we heard Khan say "buried alive..." twice. The villain and the hero mirror one another, because this is Kirk lost in rage exactly the way that Khan is lost in rage. A subtle little touch, yes?

And look at the camera, the way it pushes in on Kirk, emphasising him, increasing our connection with him. This few seconds is FULL of subtle little clever touches. No, it is emphatically not just "Oh, Shatner over acted."

Now Quinto :



There's basically nothing. Spock looks kind of angry, in a subdued way. He slowly looks up and yells "Khaaaaaaaan" - and note, unlike Shatner he does keep it going for quite a while. But there's no real power in it, and no real emotion to it. Maybe Quinto just doesn't have the voice for yelling the way Shatner has or something, but it seems rather weak to me. And there's nothing much in the way of non-verbal stuff going on in the moment. The music swells to it, but that's about it.

To me it comes across very much as a scene that JJ thought would be a big deal to the fans, but without his really having any understanding of why the original was so impactful.

Very good comparison.

I rolled my eyes and literally facepalmed at it. I just found it to be so stupid.
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Re: When Spock screamed "Khaaaaan!" what was your reaction?

Postby Varthikes » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:20 am

:roll: --> :picard:

I actually liked the exchange before Spock yells, mirroring Spock's death scene in Wrath of Khan. But then, Spock yells and ruins the moment. I bet the writers thought it was clever and it would be funny, but it was ill-timed and out of character.
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