Debate I debrief / Debate II prep

Debate I debrief / Debate II prep

Postby Teaos » Fri May 02, 2008 8:57 am

Ok here are the rules as written in the first debate. What would we like to do to tweak and add to them?

Judging: Points out of 100 for each post, teams consist of 3 members so total score for each team will be 300 points total.

Mikey will be judging on use of logic, use of evidence, ability to counter, and ability to make your position clear/rhetoric. Don't waste your word count by discussing your opponents' techniques, because it won't help you - rather, spend your time supporting your points and defeating the opposing ones. Grammar is important only inasmuch as he can understand what you are trying to say; likewise spelling.

Barring unforeseeable circumstances the results will be posted 48 hours after the last post. Any formal complaints by one team about the other (ie posts to long, dubious references) must be made with in 24 hours of the debate. The points for each post will be made public to assure no corruption on the judges part.

No comments or criticism are to be made in the debate thread during the debate by anyone apart from the Judges and the team Captains, comments should be kept to official business. Any queries can be made in the debate prep thread.

Rules: Alternating turns. 1000 word limit per post, 1500 words for the openers and closers of each team. This word count includes outside quotes and references. All information you wish to include in your post must be posted in your post. You cannot give a link and expect people to read it. It is up to the judges whether they accept these as fact so be careful from where you get them from.

For this debate Seaforts affirmative team are the first to post.

Images: Limited to 3 per post.

Speaking order ect is decided upon by the team.

Canon only. This only includes the 5 series and 10 movies as shown on TV or the theater.

The replying post must be made with in 24 hours of the last post. Since the person designated to go at any given time (ie Opener, 2nd, Closer) is up to the team, if the person designated to post cannot for some reason post in time, the captain of that team may make the post in their position. They will suffer a 50 point penalty for this though. Or they can pass on the turn, they will not suffer the penalty but nor will they gain any points at all.


Myself and Seafort both agree that this rule:

The replying post must be made with in 24 hours of the last post. Since the person designated to go at any given time (ie Opener, 2nd, Closer) is up to the team, if the person designated to post cannot for some reason post in time, the captain of that team may make the post in their position. They will suffer a 50 point penalty for this though. Or they can pass on the turn, they will not suffer the penalty but nor will they gain any points at all.


Should be changed.

I suggest something like:

The replying post needs to be made with in 48 hours of the previous post. If a member cannot for some reason post they need to give notice as soon as possible but no latter than 36 hours after the post they are supposed to reply to. At this point an addition 24 hours may be granted by either the oppositon captain or one of the judges.

If it looks like the member will still not post the team captain must post with in the given time. If the captain posts in place of the team member the team will suffer a 25 point penalty, if neither the captain or member posts and the captain does not officially pass on the turn they suffer a 50 point penalty and the opposition can then post.


Basically you have 48 hours to post or 72 if you ask for more time.

I left in the smaller 25 point penalty because I fell it is an unfair advantage for a team captain to post multiple times.

I cant think of any other rules needed. Feel free to suggest any new rules or tweak the old ones. Seafort will probably want to re-write the above rule to make it more clear.
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Postby Teaos » Fri May 02, 2008 9:13 am

Debate II

Ok people, everyone who can join in with the debate please do so. We've all seen the first one, the debate can be for people with longer analytical posts or shorter counter posts. Its not hard and pretty much any member here should be able to do it.

With the extended time limit I think everyone should be able to join in. Either by having a prewritten post or a shorter responce, both were used in the past debate to great effect.

I'd also like to rotate the captains around so other people get a shot at it. Depending on who we gwt involved will decide how they are choosen.

Also since we pick different topics everytime we're bound to hit a topic you like sooner or latter.

I know several people said more than one judge would be ideal but that really depends on the numbers we get. Mikey did fine by himself but if he;d like to be a debater this time I have had several offers from other to do it.

I'd also like people to throw up ideas for possible topics. We have a list of possibles but they are all things I came up with in like 2 minutes. If I can think of that many anyone can.

Topics:

Is Sauser seperation a good idea or waste of time?

Is MVAM a good use of resourses and a tactical idea?

Was the Federation right to sign a treaty with the Romulans that say they arent allowed cloaking tech

should the prime directive be followed in situations such as "homeworld"

Are Data and the Doctor sentient and should they have equal rights

Should the Federation accept Cardassia into it after the Dominion war.

Section 31: Necessary evil? or just evil?

Should the Allies anex Breen space after the war?

Should the Federation continue to explore the Gamma quadrant noe the war is over or leave well enough alone.

Should GE'ed humans like Doctor Bashir be discriminated against? Should GE humans be illigal like it is?

Should Rochey give up and accept that Teaos is always right?

Should the Federation prevent access to the wormhole to the other major powers?

Should the Federation pursue the Genesis device as a weapon of mass destruction?

Should the Federation field more jack of all trade ships or single roll ships?

Should Familes be allowed on big deep space exploration ships?


I've also decided that for this debate I shall continue to act as the organiser but will get the judge to handle the choosing of the topic and other offical business that may be a clash for me to do as well.
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Postby stitch626 » Fri May 02, 2008 1:06 pm

Should Rochey give up and accept that Teaos is always right?

I like this one. :)
Unfortunatly, I will not be available yet, stupid finals.
Most likely the next one.
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Postby Mikey » Fri May 02, 2008 3:33 pm

I think the updated time-limit rule is more than fair enough.

Unfortunately, with a very irregular work and family schedule, I must sadly decline once again to participate, though I'd surely enjoy judging again if you'll have me. I welcome both fellow judges, as well as any suggestions anyone might have as to the system I used.
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Postby Sionnach Glic » Fri May 02, 2008 4:37 pm

Should Rochey give up and accept that Teaos is always right?


:lol: Not a chance!

Unfortunately, I'm going to have to pass on participating for the next debate, as well.
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Postby Bryan Moore » Fri May 02, 2008 5:23 pm

- Allies annexing Breen space could lead to a lot of WWI/WWII comparisons -> Cold War. Wicked potential for historical evidence.

-Section 31 I like, but could turn into a pissing match quickly

-Genesis as WMD brings up great Atomic Energy comparisons, of course.
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Postby KuvahMagh » Fri May 02, 2008 8:37 pm

I would love to be involved in this, either as a member or a judge. As to topics I'll look around the Trek world and see if I can think of anything.
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Postby Teaos » Sat May 03, 2008 12:00 am

I agree with Bryans choices for topics. Another plus is they dont have any obviously right or wrong answer.
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Postby stitch626 » Sun May 04, 2008 6:49 pm

I just realized that we need to find a way to deal with the fact that the first person to post does not counter. It would be unfair to give or not give any points in that section.
*My idea requires a little math*
We could make the first poster's post out of 75 points instaid of 100, and then convert it to what we need.
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Postby Teaos » Sun May 04, 2008 11:53 pm

Last time Mikey just gave half of what was possible.
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Postby Mikey » Mon May 05, 2008 4:39 pm

Which would probably come out fairly close to a shorter scale and subsequently scaling it up, as Stitch mentioned, although that idea seems pretty fair to me.
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Postby Bryan Moore » Mon May 05, 2008 4:41 pm

Teaos wrote:Last time Mikey just gave half of what was possible.


I'm not sure how equitable this is. While it's likely give or take, dividing by 75 seems just as practical, and guaranteed to be a more accurate score each time. The 12.5 would have benefitted me, but likely hurt others. So I'd go with 75.
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Postby Mikey » Mon May 05, 2008 11:30 pm

Fair enough. Like I said, it would generally probably come close, but would take out an element which wasn't tied to the actual content. I can do that.
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Postby Teaos » Mon May 05, 2008 11:45 pm

But now Mikey is going to have to do math...
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Postby Mikey » Mon May 05, 2008 11:47 pm

Teaos wrote:But now Mikey is going to have to do math...


It's happened before, once or twice. :wink:
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