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Graham Kennedy wrote:The thing is... what if that bill is voted down?
There would be fucking uproar, especially given that, with the exception of a few idiots (notably Ken Clarke, who's standing down at the next election, and Tim Farron) every MP who's spoken since the referendum, be they leavers or remainers, has said that the instruction of the electorate must be implemented.
The SNP and Northern Ireland folks will certainly vote against.
SNP, sure, but NI is a different matter, given that most of them are DUP, who campaigned to leave.
And if the PM allowed a free vote on the issue in which MPs could vote their conscience, we may well see just that happen.

And the current leading candidate for PM is Theresa May... who was a Remain campaigner. She could justifiably make it a free vote, and then just say "Parliament has voted; not my fault" afterwards.
No, she couldn't. She has explicitly said that "Brexit means Brexit". "Not my fault" is not Brexit. There's also the little hurdle of a leadership election to get over first, which she might lose precisely because she was a remainer.
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There would be fucking uproar, especially given that, with the exception of a few idiots (notably Ken Clarke, who's standing down at the next election, and Tim Farron) every MP who's spoken since the referendum, be they leavers or remainers, has said that the instruction of the electorate must be implemented.
Yes, there would be uproar. But what, if anything, would the voters actually DO about it? Would they still be so mad four years from now that they'd all defect to UKIP? I doubt that, myself.
SNP, sure, but NI is a different matter, given that most of them are DUP, who campaigned to leave.
The voters voted to stay, though, and there has already been some talk in NI that they might go for independence rather than be forced to leave. Maybe it will amount to nothing, maybe not.
No, she couldn't. She has explicitly said that "Brexit means Brexit". "Not my fault" is not Brexit. There's also the little hurdle of a leadership election to get over first, which she might lose precisely because she was a remainer.
It would take the space of one day to spin that into "the situation has changed, and since Parliament has spoken the issue is settled for now. The voters will have their chance to respond at the next election, if they choose to do so. Now on with running the country."

It's certainly speculation, but I think some version of that is what will ultimately happen.
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First Cameron, then Corbyn now Farrage. Has there been anything like this in the last 100 years?
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Corbyn isn't gone yet, unfortunately, and yes - last year, when Millband, Clegg and Farage all quit on the same day.
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Do UK politicians get an excellent pension or something to explain their predilection for quitting?
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He's quit before but then changed his mind.

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sunnyside wrote:Do UK politicians get an excellent pension or something to explain their predilection for quitting?
MP's Pay:
http://www.parliamentarystandards.org.u ... fault.aspx

PDF explaining the pension rules:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/pa ... cument.pdf
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Also, Cameron has quit as leader, not as an MP. That may follow, obviously.
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It's not unusual for ex Prime Ministers to remain on the back benches after quitting. Or to see them kicked upstairs to the Lords. We may see Cameron around for a long time to come!
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Be weird to goof rom Pm to back bencher. I can't think of any NZ politician who stayed after being the leader.
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I figured Cameron had a good couple of months while Brexit was kicked around before quitting.
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IanKennedy wrote:
sunnyside wrote:Do UK politicians get an excellent pension or something to explain their predilection for quitting?
MP's Pay:
http://www.parliamentarystandards.org.u ... fault.aspx

PDF explaining the pension rules:
http://parliamentarystandards.org.uk/pa ... cument.pdf
Huh. Neither are particularly impressive, maybe above average. Maybe the wanting to go back to a business job makes sense.

CNN picked this odd trend up.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/04/politics/ ... index.html
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It's quite common here for them to quit being leader an stay around in the background. Pensions wouldn't come into it unless they retired, which can only happen on retirement age i.e. You can't be 24, become PM for a week and then retire on pension for the rest of your live. You have to wait until you are 65 (or more these days) before you can start claiming you pension. http://www.ageuk.org.uk/money-matters/p ... nsion-age/
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sunnyside wrote:Maybe the wanting to go back to a business job makes sense.
"Back"? What makes you think any but a minority of MPs have ever had a real job?
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