Any advice for accepting a loss of national preeminence?

[McAvoy]

This is still our land, we just share it with a bunch of overweight white folks now.

'Merica. Fuck yeah!

[Tholian_Avenger]

I don't think we really made the trasition from upstarts to a major power until near the end of the eighteenth century

I think that is about one century too optimistic.

possibly not until Apollo 11 which I suppose wasn't all that long ago.

A shame isn't it? Not so long ago we played golf on the Moon.

Well, I hope its some consolation that you're represented in a positive light in modern movies and get some special bonus rights if you're into hunting or certain types of collecting.

Does that sound like any type of consolation for having your ancestral liberty, culture, nation, and race nearly destroyed through the aggressive and occupying presence of Europeans who only came to the Western Hemisphere because they couldn't keep their affairs in order back in Europe and because of greed?

This is still our land

Hah!

we just share it with a bunch of overweight white folks now.

Yeah, cause the Native population is really skinny.

[Atekimogus]

Sorry...seemed fitting at this point.

[Angharrad]

Interesting. Well, I hope its some consolation that you're represented in a positive light in modern movies...

Even I think that's a bunch of BS. We had our positives and negatives just like any race. The Comanche (my people), for example, had no problem taking women and children as slaves in battle, though they were treated much better on average than African slaves by most white landowners.

I fly the banner because my grandfather, and great grandfather fought for this country in two world wars, and my other great grandfather was one of the first Native American Texas Rangers. This is still our land, we just share it with a bunch of overweight white folks now.

Who you calling fat?

[Tsukiyumi]

Who you calling fat?

Fat people.

[sunnyside]

We by in large recognise our British heritage, but New Zealand is so multi Cultural now with massive, native, India and Asian populations that the British feel is wearing away.

How is that going? Australia is known in the US for the country trying to eat, burn, or otherwise kill you if you aren't carefull, and ethnic rioting.

New Zealand only gets press for being middle-earth.

No... the whole Patriotism that is going on is new.

What exactly do you mean by that?

I think that is about one century too optimistic.

Whoops. I don't know why I wrote that. I meant late nineteenth century. Specifically I was thinking about the Spanish-American war.

[McAvoy]

What I mean is how much is shown to be patriotic. For example, before it was almost quiet. People had flags and had pride in the country. Supporting the troops wasn't nearly as popular back then as it is now. You almost get lynched if you say you don't support the troops.

Back then you could almost make the claim that being patriotic is mandatory especially during the early years of the Cold War.

Just look at it. Patriotism had a different feel back then as it does now.

[sunnyside]

What I mean is how much is shown to be patriotic. For example, before it was almost quiet. People had flags and had pride in the country. Supporting the troops wasn't nearly as popular back then as it is now. You almost get lynched if you say you don't support the troops.

Back then you could almost make the claim that being patriotic is mandatory especially during the early years of the Cold War.

Just look at it. Patriotism had a different feel back then as it does now.

I think some of the business about supporting the troops now is due to how poorly they were treated during 'nam.

Though are you speaking from experience on this? I'm only 33.

[Reliant121]

I only have patriotism to the extent of having an inbred animosity to the French. 1000 years of mutual distrust is hard to get rid of

[Tholian_Avenger]

I think there are two reasons: there was a patriotic reaction to the 11 September 2001 attack, and a lot of older people felt bad over the way some Vietnam veterans were treated when they returned. I think the "yellow ribbon" movement started in the First Gulf War and blew up with the above.

[Captain Seafort]

I only have patriotism to the extent of having an inbred animosity to the French. 1000 years of mutual distrust is hard to get rid of

So I assume you're enjoying this week as much as I am then?

[McAvoy]

French: cheese eating surrender monkeys.

Cookie for the reference.

[Teaos]

Grounds Keeper Willie.

[sunnyside]

French: cheese eating surrender monkeys.

Cookie for the reference.

I remember that being in a Doonesbury strip as well. Maybe it's a common sentiment?

[Reliant121]

It is a common sentiment. Very common here, anyway.