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Updated at 3:18 p.m. ET: A teacher's son clad in black and carrying two guns rampaged through a Connecticut elementary school Friday, killing 18 small children and seven adults, including his mother, in the nation’s second-worst school shooting, law enforcement officials said.

The gunman, identified as Ryan Lanza, 24, of Hoboken, N.J., was also found dead at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, a federal law enforcement official said.

Lanza's mother is a kindergarten teacher at the hilltop school, and it's inside her classroom where most of the casualties were found, according to NBCNewYork.com.

Another relative, who was not identified, was found shot to death at a home in Newtown, officials said.

Lanza’s younger brother was being questioned to see if he knew anything about the mass killing, NBC News reported.

Some young survivors -- all under age 10 -- described the terror of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, and a massive police response that included SWAT officers going room to room to search for victims as they huddled in classroom corners.

Robert Licata said his 6-year-old son was in class when the gunman burst in and shot the teacher.

"That's when my son grabbed a bunch of his friends and ran out the door," he told the Associated Press. "He was very brave."

One student told NBC Connecticut she was in the gym when she heard “seven loud booms.”

“The gym teachers told us to go in the corner, so we all huddled,” she said. "And I kept hearing these booming noises. And we all … started crying.

"All the gym teachers told us to go into the office where no one could find us," she added. "So then a police officer came in and told us to run outside. So we did and we came in the firehouse.”

Authorities in the small bedroom community 60 miles from New York City were alerted to the unfolding carnage by a 911 call around 9:30 a.m. and then reached out to state police and neighboring police departments for help.

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Connecticut State Police Lt. Paul Vance said troopers who responded fanned out across the school and searched “every door, every crack, every crevice” of the building.

He said only that they found “several fatalities,” including the shooter, at the scene.

The 600-student school goes up to the fourth grade. After the search was over, children and staff were escorted to a staging area outside.

Children said they were told to close their eyes as they were led outside, apparently to avoid seeing anything gruesome.

Over the next two hours, they were reunited with loved ones who rushed to the school, along with police cars and ambulances from all over Fairfield County.

Children are led from Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., on Friday after a reported shooting there.

Brenda Lebinski, mother of a third-grader, said she found a “horrendous” scene.

“Everyone was in hysterics - parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don't know if they were shot, but they were bloodied,'' she said, according to Reuters.
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Yeah, kids were talking about this at work today. Hard to keep on task when something like this comes up.

I feel really bad for all those families. Not much would help them recover from this emotionally.
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I just hope that when the politics of it start flying the families are left out of it.
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It sure didn't take long for the anti-gun vultures to take advantage of dead children. SHAME :evil:

Anti-gun laws are only an inadequate band-aid on a gaping wound, nothing more. There is a distinct problem with our society, the concept of empathy is dying out. This is called psychopathy, the inability to imagine what others might be feeling. That is the root of the problem, it doesn't matter if it is medical or simply a choice, it needs to be addressed before it becomes an epidemic. Passing laws about inanimate objects will do nothing!
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Vic wrote:It sure didn't take long for the anti-gun vultures to take advantage of dead children. SHAME
If by "take advantage of" you mean they're pointing out that if this individual didn't have access to firearms there would at the very least be far fewer dead children, you're right.
Passing laws about inanimate objects will do nothing!
It would reduce the availability of firearms, which is a big part of the problem in the US. Sure it's not the be-all and end-all, but it's part of the solution.
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Just an update:
the gunman, identified as Adam Lanza,(Ryan is his brother) had committed suicide. The children killed were said to be 5 to 10 years old.

A 28th person, found dead in a house in the town, was also believed to have been shot by Mr. Lanza. That victim, one law enforcement official said, was Mr. Lanza’s mother, Nancy Lanza(not shot at the school), who worked at the school(not a teacher). She apparently owned the guns he used.

The principal had buzzed Mr. Lanza in because she recognized him as the son of a colleague. Moments later, she was shot dead when she went to investigate the sound of gunshots. The school psychologist was also among those who died.
Just an example of the media wanting to be FIRST not caring if they are right.

And someone on twitter said one of things about guns is it makes it possible for a person to do horrific things without getting their hands dirty.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Vic wrote:It sure didn't take long for the anti-gun vultures to take advantage of dead children. SHAME
If by "take advantage of" you mean they're pointing out that if this individual didn't have access to firearms there would at the very least be far fewer dead children, you're right.
You know what's way more easily accessible than firearms? Saltpeter, charcoal and sulfur. Along with nails and pvc pipe. In an enclosed space, that would be far more dangerous than a 9mm handgun.
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Passing laws about inanimate objects will do nothing!
It would reduce the availability of firearms, which is a big part of the problem in the US. Sure it's not the be-all and end-all, but it's part of the solution.
Ignoring the fact that there are 300 million guns in the country already, the border is so porous we can't stop weed from getting through by the truckload; guns would be no different. Excessive legislation just disarms the law-abiding citizenry, not criminals. We already have sufficient gun control measures in place; now we need to actually spend some time and money on the mental health crisis in America (of course we have no money for things like that, which is why most state-run mental hospitals closed down years ago).
Angharrad wrote:And someone on twitter said one of things about guns is it makes it possible for a person to do horrific things without getting their hands dirty.
An IED does the same thing, and requires no skill beyond assembly. People (anti-gun folks in particular) seem to be of the mistaken impression that killing someone with a firearm is easy - the majority of people who actually practice can barely hit a target, let alone a moving person.
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Tsukiyumi wrote:You know what's way more easily accessible than firearms? Saltpeter, charcoal and sulfur. Along with nails and pvc pipe. In an enclosed space, that would be far more dangerous than a 9mm handgun.
If it went off when it was supposed to rather than too early or not at all, and if there was anyone around when it did go off, and if the offender had enough (and a good enough arm) to go round lobbing them at people legging it.
Ignoring the fact that there are 300 million guns in the country already, the border is so porous we can't stop weed from getting through by the truckload; guns would be no different.
I'm sure criminals would try, but having to go to the effort of smuggling them in would at least make obtaining a weapon more difficult than currently and a handgun ban would make it far easier to identify criminals.
Excessive legislation just disarms the law-abiding citizenry, not criminals.
Ignoring the fact that the term "excessive legislation" is a contradiction in terms when firearms are involved, more robust legislation makes distinguishing between the two a damn sight easier, makes it far more difficult for crooks to get their hands on weapons through theft or fraud, and makes it far more difficult for some random previously law-abiding individual to go nuts and brass up the neighbourhood as seems to have been happening on a monthly basis recently.
We already have sufficient gun control measures in place
If you had sufficient gun control measures in place, the above incident would not have happened, given that the weapons used were legally held.
now we need to actually spend some time and money on the mental health crisis in America (of course we have no money for things like that, which is why most state-run mental hospitals closed down years ago).
Agreed.
An IED does the same thing, and requires no skill beyond assembly.
I.e. far more specialised skills than "point it and pull the trigger".
People (anti-gun folks in particular) seem to be of the mistaken impression that killing someone with a firearm is easy - the majority of people who actually practice can barely hit a target, let alone a moving person.
The ease, in absolute terms, of killing someone with a firearm is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that it's a piece of piss compared with doing so using a bat or knife.
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Hoards of drugs are already illegal and they come in by the truckloads every day.

Some guns are illegal in the US, and every day more are found. Just this week our local cops found an RPG in someones garage (not exactly a gun, but close enough) that had been there for almost a decade. Only found it because of a call on suspicious drug activity.

Just adding legislation won't do a thing except disarm honest folks. As it is 1000s of illegal (as in not legally purchased) guns are found every month. You think just outlawing all guns will solve this?
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stitch626 wrote:You think just outlawing all guns will solve this?
It would reduce the problem by making them more difficult to get hold of.
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18 children...my kids are in that age group.

Fucking awful day for America, no matter your politics.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
stitch626 wrote:You think just outlawing all guns will solve this?
It would reduce the problem by making them more difficult to get hold of.
Not really. The only limit would be money. And that isn't a sufficient restricter (as we can see with the propensity of illegal drugs in this country).
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stitch626 wrote:Not really. The only limit would be money. And that isn't a sufficient restricter (as we can see with the propensity of illegal drugs in this country).
It would be an improvement. It wouldn't solve the problem on its own, but it would help. It would also end all offences committed by legally held handguns.
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The only improvement would be for the criminals who wouldn't have to worry about being shot by Granny anymore when they break into her house.
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Vic wrote:The only improvement would be for the criminals who wouldn't have to worry about being shot by Granny anymore when they break into her house.
Have you even been reading the fucking thread? Yes, banning handguns is not a panacea. It does however have significant advantages over not banning them. It removes the possibility of legally-owned handguns being used in crimes, be that through theft or someone going nuts. It makes getting hold of handguns more difficult and expensive. It also removes the risk of some bystander having a go if they see a crook with a weapon - as Tsu pointed out they're unlikely to hit anything or anyone they're aiming at, and will simply increase the chance of people getting hit by stray bullets.
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