Atekimogus wrote:It was late and maybe I understood you wrong but I took the same meaning from your quote than Seafort, namely that only the current economic chaos and problems are keeping the europeans from each others throat.
I said that it gives them something else to worry about. Your inability to understand context or history isn't my concern.
Atekimogus wrote:The opposite is true, while the economic chaos and strict regulations of the euro zone might question certain member states the wisdom of joining the euro-zone or the eu (greece comes to mind because of the economy, but also hungary and czech for political reasons) if everything would be peachy and fine and no problems at all, there would even be LESS cause for concern.
I'm sure glad to hear how if it weren't for financial concerns, Europe would be one big happy family. The lack of wars throughout European history of course supports that...
Atekimogus wrote:And with one simple sentence you have proven your utter ignorance of european history. Not only that they were not perceived as a threat after two great wars of being the aggressors (boy, just watch some educational films shown to US-occupation troops in 45, warning them and blabbering on about the oh so warlike germans only waiting to start wwIII. Or even what Margereth Thatcher thought of german reunification in the late 80s ) they were also much needed immediatly after wwII against the soviet union.
As much as I want to believe that the allies have learned from the Versailles treaties, I imagine the bulk of goodwill shown to the germans after wwII stems exactly from that they had already more pressing concerns, so better to make friends with them opposed to drive them into the USSR open arms.
Really? You cry about my ignorance on this topic? The US didn't treat anyone in any Versailles fashion because the US opposed it. It was in fact part of the US position at the end of the war to NOT destroy what was left but to rebuild Germany. Rather then watching youtube for your history lessons, try going to a school. Then consider talking to me. When you do that you can show me this phantom army the Germans must have had to make England so afraid of them. That or maybe get one of our English members here to talk about the great German army after the war.
Atekimogus wrote:Hey, I am all for keeping our hands over the precious spice, my point was more that I found it rather interesting that you implied european aggression (only the euro troubles keeping them from going to war) when historically the most warlike and aggressive nation since wwII were the united states. If the history of the last 50 years is any indication Europe is more likely to use economical pressure to achieve it's goals opposed to walzing in with raw force as the US is prone to do and while the hard way of the US is surley more effective in the short run, one might question the wisdom in the long run imho.
Really? so you're going to discount the whole of history down to just fifty years and say that the US is at fault for it? Not the RNK for the Korean war, the French in Vietnam, not Iraq for the first Gulf War, not Afgahistan for that current war. Sure, I would love to see this "aggression" since you've made it so clear that only the US is at fault for any wars that happen...
Atekimogus wrote:Well you probably weren't aware of what I am getting at, which is that Greece should never have joined the EURO zone because they never fulfilled the convergence criteria which where obligatory prior to joining. They only were able to join because it was discovered later that they cooked their books. Now don't tell me everyone did this because I do still remember one of many austerity packets my country had to endure just to meet those criteria and be able to join. The greece took the easy road out and should have been punished for it.
(On the other hand maybe you are right, if they'd done it, they would probably would have been forced to kick Italy, Spain and Portugal out as well............hmm....I always suspected the climate in those countries is to beautiful for their own good.... )
Since its rather clear that the statement went over your head most like everything else ever said to you. Governments can't write down all their spending for everyone else to see, because you don't want everyone knowing what you're doing. The EU rather then just looking to dump money on the problem should have just sent someone to help Greece balance the books.