Atekimogus wrote:Like it or not, mainland europe is far to(sic) integrated (economical if not cultural) to ever make that really a possiblilty anymore.
Mikey wrote:Atekimogus wrote:Like it or not, mainland europe is far to(sic) integrated (economical if not cultural) to ever make that really a possiblilty anymore.
That's pretty much a direct paraphrase of what Deep said.
Captain Seafort wrote:On the contrary - it's the complete opposite of what Deep said. Deep's comment was that it was the chaos in the Eurozone that was preventing a war. Ate's comment (which, unlike Deep's, is connected to reality) was that it's European (and specifically Franco-German) economic integration that's responsible for the last sixty years of peace. The squabbling has bugger-all to do with it.
Atekimogus wrote:Ok first a little background. I was born in the 80s and I am european. So my guess is that it probalby has more to do with age than anything else but a comment like that from Deep seems incredibly backward to me, like something out of the late 50s or 60 were the shock of wwII was still fresh, everyone needed the germans for the cold war, yet were secretly still afraid of them. Western european countries starting a war against each other? How bloody likely is that nowadays? Like it or not, mainland europe is far to integrated (economical if not cultural) to ever make that really a possiblilty anymore.
Atekimogus wrote:(Honestly, I am more worried about the US starting another phony war against...oh I don't know Iran for example... or whereever next they haven't their hands on a native oil reservoirs. That is a far more likely scenario imho.)
Atekimogus wrote:That being said, the EURO is probably here to stay even if it is impractical, however maybe there will be a split between a hard euro zone with countries who have their shit together (germany, france etc.) and a soft zone with countries who cannot be bothered with trivial things...like not cooking books. (Imho...altough maybe overly harsh, as soon as the trouble with greece started they should have kicked them out, not because it would have been the most economical sensible solution but as a warning to all the others that cooking books misappropriating subsidies, and generally making a complete mess out of your finances is not tolerated.)
Deepcrush wrote:So if my comment has nothing to do with reality, I'd be happy for someone to point out the current boom in the European economy and the near unification of a solid and single European nation.
Deepcrush wrote: As to the Germans, no one needed them. They were ruined and under occupation and weren't a threat to anyone.
Deepcrush wrote:Phony war against Iran is cute since its threatening to cut of the transit point for much of EUROPE's oil supply. But if its phony then I guess its nice to know ahead of time that Europe doesn't use oil so we can just let it alone.
Deepcrush wrote:Just an FYI, the day you start kicking countries out of the EU or off the Euro for spending money of the books. You'll simply have to kick everyone since everyone does it. Its part of running a country, not everything you spend gets put into the newspaper for your neighbor to read.
GrahamKennedy wrote:There is very little feeling of unity, loyalty, or common cause amongst the people who live within it, very little feeling of patriotism towards it.
Mikey wrote:However, did anyone really think that such a confederacy could exist ONLY in an economic sphere? I'd say the political/temporal attempt to form the First Holy EU Empire of Western Europe is almost an inevitability of the formation of the EU in any incarnation. When you've got an outside agency controlling a nation's pursestrings, you've got a puppet-master who has that nation by the proverbial short-and-curlies... in ANY and EVERY arena of governance, not just economics.
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