Captain Seafort wrote:Fuck the NRA. They're an over-powerful pressure group, not the be-all and end-all of legislsation.
They are civilian group focused on a part of the Bill of Rights. No different then equal rights groups such as the LBGT or civil service groups such as the Boy Scouts. Its simply their focus is on self defense.
Captain Seafort wrote:My statement compared research in to illnesses that aren't the leading cause of death to dealing with factors in your astronomical murder rate that aren't the biggest single problem. As you well know.
However you placed a meaningless statement into the debate to derail the issue after you got caught again with no valid response. And yet again you attempt to back peddle the issue here. Notice that lying and trolling haven't worked yet for you? Get the clue.
Captain Seafort wrote:If you're relying on every random Tom, Dick and Harry to deal with criminals, rather than the police, that's vigilante justice, whether you and the FBI recognise it or not.
And yet again you're lying about a statement just made. No one in the thread at any point said they were going to rely on the average citizen to stop criminals. The issue has never been about stopping but preventing. Lying still not helping you here either.
Captain Seafort wrote:I don't have a problem with firearms - it's their possession by amateurs I have a problem with, and I consider removing weapons from those who are competent to use them to be a price well worth paying to prevent those who are incompetent or malicious getting their hands on them.
And while this would be cute and maybe work in a cartoon. Its meaningless in real life. Criminals will, by their nature of being criminals, break laws. So saying its against the law for a criminal to have a firearm is useless. To go as far as disarming the police for no reason other then to say you took guns off the street is simply open intent of murder. Stating that you would prefer people accept themselves as victims is meaningless because moral cowardice of your country hasn't taken over here (not every where at least, I know up north its common enough). Stating your support for criminals over the populace is also meaningless because sooner or later you'll reach the line of people who aren't willing to become the victims you want them to be.
Your entire point is that you don't like self defense, which is fine. No one will force you to defend yourself against a criminal here in the US. If you want to just let it happen then it is your right to do so. In fact the Police can't even force you to press charges so places like New York, Detroit, Seattle or Chicago would be perfect for you as that's their way of living. On the reverse side, there remain those of us who are not willing to be the victims you want us to be. We will fight back if someone attacks us, some like myself are trained and others are not. But in the end it doesn't matter because the simple fact that we are willing to fight back is what keeps the crime away from where we live. Because there are easier targets then us. Its not that we don't have police or that they aren't effective, its just that they can't be everywhere. So civilian support is welcome. We like living in low to no crime areas and we aren't going to give that up. Period.