The Finale

The Finale

Postby kostmayer » Sun Mar 22, 2009 1:02 am

Well, that was a pretty damn good ending.

Galactica jumping directly into the line of fire wasn't quite as impressive as it's planet drop in Exodus, but damn that ship can take some punishment.

Still trying to figure the ending out.

What was the Starbuck that returned to Galactica. Was the planet they found the same destroyed planet they found a few episodes back? Is Galactica actually set in our past rather then out future?

It was also great to see some 70's style Centurions - for that matter, Apollos hair would do any cheesy 70's scifi show proud.

Oh, and the Chief is a woman beating f**kup - I still love the character, but damn has he caused some trouble.
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Re: Anybody see the season premier -Now With Fresh Spoilers-

Postby Sonic Glitch » Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:25 am

kostmayer wrote:Well, that was a pretty damn good ending.

Galactica jumping directly into the line of fire wasn't quite as impressive as it's planet drop in Exodus, but damn that ship can take some punishment.

Still trying to figure the ending out.

What was the Starbuck that returned to Galactica. Was the planet they found the same destroyed planet they found a few episodes back? Is Galactica actually set in our past rather then out future?

It was also great to see some 70's style Centurions - for that matter, Apollos hair would do any cheesy 70's scifi show proud.

Oh, and the Chief is a woman beating f**kup - I still love the character, but damn has he caused some trouble.

I believe the Starbuck that returned was exactly what Baltar claimed in Part 1: an angel.
I got the impression it was set in our past as they fast-forward to what looks like modern-day New York.
I agree on the hair count :lol:

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Re: Anybody see the season premier -Now With Fresh Spoilers-

Postby Tsukiyumi » Thu Mar 26, 2009 2:08 pm

A quick question: did they ever explain why the technology (guns, cars, architecture, fashions, etc.) is all identical to ours? Or, is that supposed to be a coincidence? :?
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Re: The Finale

Postby IanKennedy » Thu Mar 26, 2009 8:58 pm

I got the impression that this keeps happening over and over again. Humans develop tech, invent robots, the robots then got good enough AI and then rebel. Fighting then ensues and the human survivors start all over again.
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Re: The Finale

Postby Captain Seafort » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:01 pm

"All of this has happened before, and will happen again" :wink:
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Re: The Finale

Postby Sionnach Glic » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:07 pm

This should really be a seperate topic, I think.

Anyway, that last episode was great. The entire Battle of the Colony was brilliant, all the characters who needed to be hit with the karma-stick bought it in suitable ways (anyone remember how back in Season 2 Racetrack said she'd like to go out taking as many Cylons with her as possible? I think she got her wish), we get a nice resolution to all the various arcs, the boarding action and Centurion V Centurion action was great, and Hendrix's All Along the Watchtower wrapped the whole thing up. What more could you ask for?

All in all, a great ending to a show that started brilliantly, fell down quite a bit, but got back up and kicked ass in the end.

What was the Starbuck that returned to Galactica.


I think it's safe to say that Starbuck 2.0 was an angel. It's the only real explaination. The real Kara Thrace died when her Viper crashed into Earth, and an angel version replaced her.

Was the planet they found the same destroyed planet they found a few episodes back?


Nope. The Earth they originaly found, the one the 13th Tribe colonised, was destroyed and irradiated in a nuclear war. Starbuck's co-ordinates took them to our Earth - a completely different planet. Adama decided to call our world "Earth", because he felt that Earth was more of an idea than a planet; that Earth wasn't any one specific place, but rather somewhere that the refugees could settle in safety and call home.

Is Galactica actually set in our past rather then out future?


Yup. Approx 150,000 years, going by the line at the end.

Oh, and the Chief is a woman beating f**kup - I still love the character, but damn has he caused some trouble.


Meh. I can hardly blame him. Tori had it coming. And that guy got more shit piled on top of him than anyone else in the entire show.

Galactica jumping directly into the line of fire wasn't quite as impressive as it's planet drop in Exodus, but damn that ship can take some punishment.


Considering that it was 50 years old, was built sub-standard, had spent 4 years under extremely trying conditions with no repair facilities, and was on the verge of falling apart, I'd say that the old Battlestars are damn tough.

That's probably the main reason that Cylons opted for a sneak-attack to start the war off. I seriously doubt that the Cylons could have taken on a full strenght Colonial Fleet and survived.
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Re: The Finale

Postby Tsukiyumi » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:11 pm

Rochey wrote:This should really be a seperate topic, I think.


If you'd like, I could split those posts off.

IanKennedy wrote:I got the impression that this keeps happening over and over again. Humans develop tech, invent robots, the robots then got good enough AI and then rebel. Fighting then ensues and the human survivors start all over again.


Yeah, but neckties are a pretty useless accessory; I find it odd that an entirely different human civilization would have independently developed the same noose-fashion.

Heck, the clip I watched even had stoplights on Caprica with red, green and yellow bulbs. The exact same color scheme? Really?
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Re: The Finale

Postby Captain Seafort » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:12 pm

Rochey wrote:
What was the Starbuck that returned to Galactica.


I think it's safe to say that Starbuck 2.0 was an angel. It's the only real explaination. The real Kara Thrace died when her Viper crashed into Earth, and an angel version replaced her.


Which raises the question of how exactly she got to Earth in the first place, and what happened over the gas giant.

Overall a pretty cool finale, albeit slightly disappointed that "God" didn't turn out to be Steed. :P
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Re: The Finale

Postby Sionnach Glic » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:21 pm

Tsu wrote: If you'd like, I could split those posts off.


I already did. This was originaly posted in the "Did anyone see the season premier?" thread. I figured it'd make more sense to have a thread devoted purely to the finale, and the inevitable speculation over it.

I split the thread, went to write my own thoughts on it, and then you and Ian posted before me.

Yeah, but neckties are a pretty useless accessory; I find it odd that an entirely different human civilization would have independently developed the same noose-fashion.


Why not? There's only so many fashions there can be.

Personaly I think a more fitting question is why a god in Greece had the same name as a certain Viper pilot from several tens of thousands of years back. :wink:

Heck, the clip I watched even had stoplights on Caprica with red, green and yellow bulbs. The exact same color scheme? Really?


Why not? Red and green are pretty universal symbols of bad and good, respectively, and yellow/orange is a nice medium between the two.

Odd? Yeah. But I'm not going to be worrying too much about it.

Seafort wrote:Which raises the question of how exactly she got to Earth in the first place, and what happened over the gas giant.


I like to think that after so many years of non-stop fighting, Starbuck just cracked over the gas giant and started hallucinating that there were enemy fighters flying around. She then dove her fighter into a storm and died. God, seeing an oppertunity to give the Colonials a push in the right direction, fired up the transporter array and sent Kara's remains to Earth so that the Colonials could pick up the distress beacon from the Viper. He then reincarnated her in the form of an angel to further help guide the Colonials towards their promised land. Upon reaching our Earth, her job was done and the angel version vanished, dying properly once and for all.

Overall a pretty cool finale, albeit slightly disappointed that "God" didn't turn out to be Steed. :P


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Re: The Finale

Postby Captain Seafort » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:29 pm

Rochey wrote:
Overall a pretty cool finale, albeit slightly disappointed that "God" didn't turn out to be Steed. :P


Who?


You've never seen the original BSG or The Avengers?
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Re: The Finale

Postby Sionnach Glic » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:35 pm

I've seen a handful of episodes of oBSG, a long time ago. Never seen the Avengers. I take it Steed was a character?
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Re: The Finale

Postby Captain Seafort » Thu Mar 26, 2009 9:41 pm

You've never seen the Avengers? :shock: Poor bloke.

Steed was the lead character in the Avengers, played by Patrick Macnee, who also played Iblis in BSG.
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Re: The Finale

Postby Sionnach Glic » Fri Mar 27, 2009 9:09 am

Nope, never seen it. Sounds interesting, though. I'll see if I can find some eps.

Ah, I remember Iblis, though.
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Re: The Finale

Postby Aaron » Fri Mar 27, 2009 10:38 am

I tried to watch the finale three times and I couldn't get into it, even the Battlestar porn was boring IMO. I realize Moore wanted the show to be about characters rather than the sci-fi but it failed to hold my interest, I might have watched more if Iblis had turned out to be the Cylon god though. ;)
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Re: The Finale

Postby katefan » Sat Mar 28, 2009 10:20 pm

The finale was $#!t.

First of all, I found no real importance to Helo and Boomer mk II's child.

Second, the destruction of the fleet made no sense whatsoever. The liberated Cylons could always come back and wipe out humanity. It happened before, it could happen again. How 30,000 people agreed to strand themselves on a single world with potential enemies still out there-potential enemies that knew where they were!-was moronic.

Third, destruction of the fleet to get back to nature or whatever complete nonsense Lee sold his Dad was beyond stupid. First of all, how are 30,000 largely city born people supposed to become farmers and hunters? They come from a hi-tech society and are thrown back into the stone age overnight. Who is going to agree to do this? Lee talks about breaking the cycle by doing this, but how is the cycle supposed to be broken when history will be forgotten because all forms of physical literature are going to be lost over time and electronic information is none existent? Oral history does not work; how many oral stories outside of Beowolf actually survived, and how many would survive 150,000 years?

Lee is a moron. It is obvious this keeps happening again because people keep forgetting what happened before! He has some sort of hippie-fied idea that their new age religion or whatever is going to so transform these aboriginals that a golden age will appear. Wait three months when everyone is starving because they aren't farmers or hunters and we'll see how much people give a damn about that new age crap.

Finally, the flashbacks were padding, pure and simple. I did not need to see Adama looking for a new job, Roslyn sleeping with a guy and deciding to join a presidential campaign or Baltar inadvertently selling out humanity to Six.

This was not All Good Things, it was not even What You Leave Behind. It was lame and the writers/director were desperately hoping all the happy, feel good moments would cover up the gaping plot holes. Looks like it worked.
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