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Well, since the lunacy of gamma-ray quanta "encasing" real, massive particles is a different lunacy than the one at hand, I'll leave that bit alone for the meanwhile. And an anticoagulant is more than a blood thinner; it has to oppose platelet action a/o prevent their travel to the wound site.
However, I'll give them this one. With so many more elements available to the 'Trek universe, I'm sure one could find one to perform such an action.
However, you can't add anything to the beginning of the periodic table; hydrogen, MAYBE helium or alpha particles would be the upper size limit of what could be "encased" or "carried" on that polaron beam...
However, I'll give them this one. With so many more elements available to the 'Trek universe, I'm sure one could find one to perform such an action.
However, you can't add anything to the beginning of the periodic table; hydrogen, MAYBE helium or alpha particles would be the upper size limit of what could be "encased" or "carried" on that polaron beam...
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I imagine that's for the writing. Phasers have been established since nearly the start of Trek. But I'm sure it makes writers sad if they can't do the "wounded hero" bit.
In world phased polaron stuff initially passed right through shields yes? So that's a good reason to use it on ships certainly and probably small arms too. Also despite how we rag on them phasers may be a high end personal sidearm. And are to resource intensive (i.e. maybe the changlelings could crank out twice as many Jem'Hadar with polaron/plasma weapons as they could with phasers.)
In world phased polaron stuff initially passed right through shields yes? So that's a good reason to use it on ships certainly and probably small arms too. Also despite how we rag on them phasers may be a high end personal sidearm. And are to resource intensive (i.e. maybe the changlelings could crank out twice as many Jem'Hadar with polaron/plasma weapons as they could with phasers.)
yep. Any setting high enough to actually punch through the crate would be high enough to risk killing the person they want to incapacitate.Mikey wrote:Here's a couple of ideas (but no good ones):
1 - materials that are resistant to phasers/disruptors/misc. directed-energy weapons are so ridiculously abundant that people actually use them commonly to make packing crates, yet effective body armor is still somehow incomprehensible;
2 - nobody who uses a phaser is sufficiently trained on their capabilities a/o operation; or
3 - nobody who uses a phaser has the presence of mind in a firefight to actually recall the training mentioned above.
Anybody have any less sarcastic ideas?
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But, what if they ARE trying to kill you? Think of Jem'Hadar in the Dominion war. As a rule they weren't too interested in "incapacitating" you.Tiberius wrote:yep. Any setting high enough to actually punch through the crate would be high enough to risk killing the person they want to incapacitate.Mikey wrote:Here's a couple of ideas (but no good ones):
1 - materials that are resistant to phasers/disruptors/misc. directed-energy weapons are so ridiculously abundant that people actually use them commonly to make packing crates, yet effective body armor is still somehow incomprehensible;
2 - nobody who uses a phaser is sufficiently trained on their capabilities a/o operation; or
3 - nobody who uses a phaser has the presence of mind in a firefight to actually recall the training mentioned above.
Anybody have any less sarcastic ideas?
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Mikey and CPH beat me to the punch, but let me add that in a firefight the stupidest thing you can do is try and "incapacitate" someone. Phaser stuns aren't guaranteed under the best of circumstances - sometimes they knock the target out, other times they're just dazed. In a life or death situation such uncertainty is unacceptable, so shoot to kill.Tiberius wrote:yep. Any setting high enough to actually punch through the crate would be high enough to risk killing the person they want to incapacitate.
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There are a wide range of situations where you might need to stun someone. For example maybe they have information that you need. Or perhaps they are only trying to stun you and flipping it up to kill would be and unacceptable escalation (supposedly you can tell the difference by listening between different settings). Or perhaps you're in a life or death fight where the battle lines have gotten mixed up and you can't be 100% sure whether it's a hostile alien on the other side of that crate or a British tank
Still what about those times you are trying to kill?
Still what about those times you are trying to kill?
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Need for information is hugely outweighed by the need not to get killed.sunnyside wrote:For example maybe they have information that you need.
The fact that the enemy is being stupid does not mean you have to be. Give as many warnings as your ROE require, then shoot to kill.Or perhaps they are only trying to stun you and flipping it up to kill would be and unacceptable escalation (supposedly you can tell the difference by listening between different settings).
Then bug out and cease fire until you know what the hell's going on. Don't keep blasting away on stun and hope for the best.Or perhaps you're in a life or death fight where the battle lines have gotten mixed up and you can't be 100% sure whether it's a hostile alien on the other side of that crate or a British tank
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Not from your commanding officers point of view if that information is highly important.Captain Seafort wrote: Need for information is hugely outweighed by the need not to get killed.
Actually I believe many laws and ROEs do not allow you to use lethal force unless you have reason to believe that your life is in danger. For example shooting someone in the back while they are fleeing while firing stun shots at numerous pursuing police. I suppose a modern day example would be shooting someone through a wall because they have pepper spray instead of rushing them with multiple taser or batton armed officers.The fact that the enemy is being stupid does not mean you have to be. Give as many warnings as your ROE require, then shoot to kill.
Or if they popped a cap in that "don't tase me bro" guy.
Granted you might want to do those things but I do believe it is illegal.
Note that the enemy will probably not cease fire while you attempt to extricate yourself, which is not trivial when there is no clear line of battle.Or perhaps you're in a life or death fight where the battle lines have gotten mixed up and you can't be 100% sure whether it's a hostile alien on the other side of that crate or a British tank
Then bug out and cease fire until you know what the hell's going on. Don't keep blasting away on stun and hope for the best.
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I agree with you there, Seafort. My dad was a cop for Garland, Texas PD for 15 years, and they taught him that if someone points a gun at you, you HAVE to assume they WILL USE IT. So you must use deadly force to make sure the threat is neutralized, none of this "oh, I'll shoot him/her in the shoulder and incapacitate him/her" stupidity, because you also MUST assume the suspect will not stop if just wounded. Criminals are part of a Darwinian world, and the ones still alive on the streets are the ones who've learned a lot of lessons. If one points a gun at you, and you have a gun already on them, you better use your gun before the suspect uses his/hers, because he/she will NOT just try to incapacitate you, he/she will try to kill you.Captain Seafort wrote:Mikey and CPH beat me to the punch, but let me add that in a firefight the stupidest thing you can do is try and "incapacitate" someone. Phaser stuns aren't guaranteed under the best of circumstances - sometimes they knock the target out, other times they're just dazed. In a life or death situation such uncertainty is unacceptable, so shoot to kill.Tiberius wrote:yep. Any setting high enough to actually punch through the crate would be high enough to risk killing the person they want to incapacitate.
By the way, my dad never killed anyone in his life, I'm proud to say. He did shoot a suspect in the lower outer thigh through the muscle who broke into his squad car and ran with his evidence camera, but my dad is qualified expert with his Colt Model 1911 in .45ACP, a slow bullet, but so accurate for CQ and more than enough knockdown power.
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