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Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Meste17 » Thu Mar 10, 2016 2:16 am

Would it be possible for a Human and an Andorian to have a child? If so, how would it be at least possible?
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby McAvoy » Thu Mar 10, 2016 3:17 am

WTF c'mon.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:58 am

In theory it should be impossible for any two aliens to have a child together. You should be more closely related to a banana than you are to a Vulcan.

Modern Trek has started to recognise this and say that parents need "help" - gene manipulation to allow the species to cross-breed.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Mikey » Thu Mar 10, 2016 4:09 pm

Meste17 wrote:Would it be possible for a Human and an Andorian to have a child? If so, how would it be at least possible?


a) Why is this even a question?

b) Not without the assistance GK mentioned, because that's part of the definition of "species," q.v. BTW, said definition could have been researched before using the forum as a dictionary.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:35 pm

Something that occurred to me long ago before the modern "they got help" idea spread... actually the definition of a species is that they can't reproduce and produce viable offspring, meaning offspring that can themselves reproduce. So for examples donkeys and horses can cross breed and produce mules - it's just that mules are all sterile and can't breed with one another.

So that used to make me wonder... was Spock sterile? It would have been somewhat more believable to have these cross-species types if they had all been sterile.

Course K'ehlyr and B'Elanna put rest to that idea.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Mikey » Thu Mar 10, 2016 11:52 pm

Certainly the intent here was to ask if said cross-species could produce a continuing line. In any event, the idea that even, say, humans and Vulcans are as genetically similar as horses and donkeys is patently ludicrous, whether or not it is a canon fact.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Graham Kennedy » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:50 am

Indeed. But it would have been a bit more believable.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Mikey » Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:39 pm

Hmm. In my imperfect knowledge, I don't believe we've seen Spock have a... successful Ponn Farr. I don't know about RL cross-breeds - do ligers, mules, etc., have a sex drive, sterile or not?

*EDIT* For that matter, what's up with him making out with Uhura in the reboot [outside Pon Farr?
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Graham Kennedy » Fri Mar 11, 2016 3:22 pm

It's been established that Vulcans have to mate during Pon Farr, but I don't think anybody ever said they were limited to those times only. T'Pol made the two-backed-monster with Reed when she wasn't in Pon Farr, remember.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Captain Seafort » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:19 pm

Mikey wrote:Hmm. In my imperfect knowledge, I don't believe we've seen Spock have a... successful Ponn Farr.


It depends whether writer's intent counts as canon - if so, then you can count Saavik being left behind on Vulcan when Bounty returned to Earth because she was pregnant.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby McAvoy » Fri Mar 11, 2016 6:22 pm

That would have been an interesting episode to make where a guest star would be the son of Spock and found out the mother is Saavik. Plot wise I have no idea how to tie that in with the main plot of that episode.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:12 am

Doh, Reed? Trip! Reed should be so lucky!
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby sunnyside » Sat Mar 12, 2016 2:09 am

They added in that episode where the idea was that planets all over had been populated by a bipedal species, and they had left clues around about it. Hence why so many of the bipedial species look so very similar.

It occurs to me that they don't tend to use the word species in the series. They seem to prefer the word "race" or just to refer the different races by name without other related terms.

In short I think we're different breeds more like dogs.

While some races did need "help" humandidn't seem to need it, at least in multiple cases.

I'd rather been waiting for some comment about how humans were able to establish Starfleet and maintain their central role due to our intergalactic appeal/desire/crossbreed capability.
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Re: Human/Andorian offspring

Postby Mikey » Sat Mar 12, 2016 1:26 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:
Mikey wrote:Hmm. In my imperfect knowledge, I don't believe we've seen Spock have a... successful Ponn Farr.


It depends whether writer's intent counts as canon - if so, then you can count Saavik being left behind on Vulcan when Bounty returned to Earth because she was pregnant.



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