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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby sunnyside » Wed May 25, 2016 8:42 pm

Nice! I'd obviously been exited about it and I was worried this would do it in, as they wouldn't have the resources to fight it out. I'd even seen some further developments where the studio were sending over extra suits related to separate trademarked names (specifically going after them for using "Klingon").

It's surprising and impressive that the directors were willing and able to pull that off.

But it's reasonable, I really doubt that Axanar is going to take any cash out of the studio's pocket.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Graham Kennedy » Wed May 25, 2016 9:22 pm

Call me a cynic, but I wonder if this isn't an attempt to curry favour for Beyond. Is it [i]really[/]i the case that Lin and Abrams have this much pull with the studio Executives (who are, after all, their bosses)? Or is it rather that the studio decided it wasn't worth the hassle/bad publicity to squish Axanar, and it would make a nice feel-good story for the fans if they announced this just before Beyond came out and credited the makers of that movie with "changing their minds"?

Either way, I'm really glad we're going to get Axanar after all. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

Hmmm, it does raise the question... do we incorporate Axanar into DITL? I'm thinking yes.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby sunnyside » Thu May 26, 2016 5:52 am

Graham Kennedy wrote:
Hmmm, it does raise the question... do we incorporate Axanar into DITL? I'm thinking yes.


I'd like that. It might help bring traffic here too.

Though you might want to consider how the site is structured to accommodate different series. I think it was just right back when it was still the next generation crew doing movies.

But now along with all that you're looking at the Abramsverse, the not exactly cannon Axanar, and whatever the new series is going to be. People curious about what they're seeing or wanting to run an RP set in one of those will want to see that it's considered early on upon browsing here. They might also be curious about how the different fleets of a certain time and verse match up.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Graham Kennedy » Thu May 26, 2016 10:27 am

I've never been all that happy with the way the Abramsverse is incorporated. We have sections for alternate timeline stuff - the Temporal event section, temporal ships, alternate timelines, etc. But they've always been for fairly minor stuff, the odd episode here and there. Using that structure for a multi-movie timeline is a bit awkward, IMO.

But Axanar is just part of the established timeline, far as I know. So it would just go straight into the regular site, like the novel stuff we've been incorporating lately.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Varthikes » Fri Jul 15, 2016 7:08 pm

I didn't see this posted anywhere.

Paramount/CBS's new guidelines for fan productions.

CBS and Paramount Pictures are big believers in reasonable fan fiction and fan creativity, and, in particular, want amateur fan filmmakers to showcase their passion for Star Trek. Therefore, CBS and Paramount Pictures will not object to, or take legal action against, Star Trek fan productions that are non-professional and amateur and meet the following guidelines.

Guidelines for Avoiding Objections:

1. The fan production must be less than 15 minutes for a single self-contained story, or no more than 2 segments, episodes or parts, not to exceed 30 minutes total, with no additional seasons, episodes, parts, sequels or remakes.

2. The title of the fan production or any parts cannot include the name “Star Trek.” However, the title must contain a subtitle with the phrase: “A STAR TREK FAN PRODUCTION” in plain typeface. The fan production cannot use the term “official” in either its title or subtitle or in any marketing, promotions or social media for the fan production.

3. The content in the fan production must be original, not reproductions, recreations or clips from any Star Trek production. If non-Star Trek third party content is used, all necessary permissions for any third party content should be obtained in writing.

4. If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products.

5. The fan production must be a real “fan” production, i.e., creators, actors and all other participants must be amateurs, cannot be compensated for their services, and cannot be currently or previously employed on any Star Trek series, films, production of DVDs or with any of CBS or Paramount Pictures’ licensees.

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So much for Axanar...
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Graham Kennedy » Fri Jul 15, 2016 10:23 pm

So in other words, "If you want to make a fan film, fuck you."

Every single major fan series currently in production will now have to shut down.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby sunnyside » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:21 am

That does look pretty bad, though those are just guidelines, maybe the previous bit where CBS let Axanar continue after Lin and Abrams push for it will hold.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Teaos » Sat Jul 16, 2016 1:54 pm

No one will want to invest a few tens of thousands into something that could get shut down.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Varthikes » Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:08 pm

There is still some hope for Axanar. Earlier this year, Marc Scott Zicree, who wrote episodes for Babylon 5, Star Trek (both official and fan-made), and is currently working on his own Space Command series, made a suggestion to the guys behind Axanar. They could keep the basic story of Axanar, just take out all the Star Trek elements and replace them with original names.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:35 pm

And change all the ship designs, and the costumes.

Would people still want to see it, I wonder? Most of my interest was in seeing TOS on the screen again.

But then, 50 Shades of Grey started out as Twilight fanfiction, and that did pretty well.
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Re: Axanar Continues

Postby Mikey » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:44 am

"succesful" =/= "good." My interest level in "Axanar" would certainly flag if it ended up not being 'Trek.
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