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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby McAvoy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 2:58 am

Simple but nice. Maybe abit too formulatic if that is a word.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby colmquinn » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:12 am

Sorry to bring it down but mine would start with a firing squad. Wesley Crusher,Captain Janeway (no admiral in my uiverse) and the entire Pakled race lined up and disintergrated with no chance of plot shields saving them. Then we can start making a series, with options to bring firing squads back in the future.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Mikey » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:21 am

Yes, "formulaic" is indeed a word.

It'd be tough to make the Klingons go back to being TOS-style baddies... Martok isn't the only Klingon with common sense enough to read the handwriting on the wall of the palace, and some of the others who do/did are/were in pretty significant positions. Good point on the Kazons, Seafort... especially considering that stupid = easily manipulated by the more intelligent local powers.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:19 am

McAvoy wrote:Simple but nice. Maybe abit too formulatic if that is a word.


The formula is what works about Star Trek, though. The more they've gone away from it, the less successful the shows have been.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Tsukiyumi » Sun Sep 04, 2011 3:36 pm

Mikey wrote:It'd be tough to make the Klingons go back to being TOS-style baddies...


In a number of "alternate" futures on TNG and VOY, we saw that relations with the Klingons are strained at best in the early 24th century. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Mikey » Sun Sep 04, 2011 5:59 pm

Strained, sure. But by DS9 the KE was hopelessly intertwined with the UFP, far too much to allow for the cessation of all relationships.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Sonic Glitch » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:07 pm

Mikey wrote:Strained, sure. But by DS9 the KE was hopelessly intertwined with the UFP, far too much to allow for the cessation of all relationships.
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Mikey wrote:It'd be tough to make the Klingons go back to being TOS-style baddies...


In a number of "alternate" futures on TNG and VOY, we saw that relations with the Klingons are strained at best in the early 24th century. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch.

Indeed. If I recall correctly, it's doubtful any of those "alternate" futures properly took the Dominion War into account...
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Captain Seafort » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:07 pm

Mikey wrote:Strained, sure. But by DS9 the KE was hopelessly intertwined with the UFP, far too much to allow for the cessation of all relationships.


On the contrary - DS9 demonstrated just how fragile UFP-Klingon relations are, given that they went to war twice during the course of the series. If you're talking about the integration of UFP and Klingon strategic planning during the war then I point you towards the problems encountered in persuading the Klingons to participate in Op Return, and the fact that by the end of the war the Romulans were just as integrated as the Klingons, and they very nearly went to war with the Feds before the decade was out. The alliance is one of convenience, nothing more.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Sonic Glitch » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:07 pm

Tsukiyumi wrote:
Mikey wrote:It'd be tough to make the Klingons go back to being TOS-style baddies...


In a number of "alternate" futures on TNG and VOY, we saw that relations with the Klingons are strained at best in the early 24th century. I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch.

Mikey wrote:Strained, sure. But by DS9 the KE was hopelessly intertwined with the UFP, far too much to allow for the cessation of all relationships.

Indeed. If I recall correctly, it's doubtful any of those "alternate" futures properly took the Dominion War into account...
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Captain Seafort » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:09 pm

Sonic, did you just quote yourself or edit? If it's the latter, how the fuck did that just happen? :?
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Sonic Glitch » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:08 pm

Captain Seafort wrote:Sonic, did you just quote yourself or edit? If it's the latter, how the fuck did that just happen? :?

... The fuck? I have no idea. I think what happened was, I mis-ordered the quotes in the first post. I wanted to quote Tsuki then Mikey, so after clicking submit but before the screen changed I hit the "X/Stop" button in Firefox. Then I re-ordered the quotes and submitted the post again .... apparently just after you did.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby stitch626 » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:30 pm

:laughroll:

I'm with Seafort though. The Klingons overall would not stand to join the Federation. Heck, the Federation couldn't ever accept them as members without throwing away their membership requirements (then again, they throw away everything else when it works for them).

I could see a maybe peace lasting until the Empire gets bored. And, with the destruction of Romulus, and with the Federation likely helping out (accepting refugees and the like), I could see the Klingons getting more opposed to peace with the Federation.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Teaos » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:43 pm

What ever the idea what they need to do is have a loss arc that covers the entire show with smaller arcs for seasons or even a few seasons (ala Dominion war) and no magic reset button.
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby Foxbat » Sun Sep 04, 2011 9:42 pm

What about a show set in the Mirror Universe? Dark, Gritty, Edgy, Macabre Sense of Humor, and we can do whatever the F we want w/ much less 'canon' to get in the way of things, and in whatever time frame suits our interests.

And I can't recall, but I don't think VOY had a Mirror Universe story. One of the best ENT shows was the Mirror Universe (IMHO) w/ the cool alternate intro and all that... Mirror Universe Sells, Baby...! :wave:
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Re: The "perfect" Trek show

Postby shran » Mon Sep 05, 2011 7:56 am

I don't think it would work very well. Ratings would shoot thruogh the ceiling if you take enough into account, producers would demand to soften it up a bit to appeal to other demographics and being evil all the time could be boring in due time. Worlds working to reversed principles rarely hold out for more than a few continued episodes. A whole series is going to be too mind boggling, as you'll need to explain more and more and you will get lost in trying to explain the mirror universe.
No, although some visits can be paid to the mirror universe, it shouldn't be a complete series on its own.
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