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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Deepcrush » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:02 pm

Mark wrote:I doubt that Sisko would take that position. He's quite aware of the black and white of morality, he's just willing to do the wrong thing to get the right result.


Kirk is much the same. Morality is great, but reality has to come first.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:15 pm

Mark wrote:Wait, we have all five Captains, sitting around at the end of their careers, chatting?

I ask because Season 1 Archer is quite different than the Archer portrayed in the final episode

Ayup. At the end of their careers so no surprises and, "Wait, when did I do that? The ship just launched!"
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Praeothmin » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:32 pm

Janeway will definitely be looked down on by Sisko, Kirk and Picard, but I'm not so sure they would be so hard on Archer.
All of the Captains above were Captains at a time when the Federation had been exploring space for some time, had a lot of experience dealing with alien lifeforms and cultures, and had seen their fair share of "space wars"...
So Archer's "evaluation" should be tempered by that.
Was he a great captain?
No.
Was he as bad as Janeway?
Hell no...
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Sonic Glitch » Fri Jan 14, 2011 6:39 pm

Praeothmin wrote:Janeway will definitely be looked down on by Sisko, Kirk and Picard, but I'm not so sure they would be so hard on Archer.
All of the Captains above were Captains at a time when the Federation had been exploring space for some time, had a lot of experience dealing with alien lifeforms and cultures, and had seen their fair share of "space wars"...
So Archer's "evaluation" should be tempered by that.
Was he a great captain?
No.
Was he as bad as Janeway?
Hell no...

Well, really, if this is at the end of their careers than yeah, their attitude to Archer might be quite different. In IAMD, we see that Archer had a very successful and seemingly influential career. Kirk and Picard -- and to some extent Janeway -- the great explorers might actually adopt a more conciliatory, near-reverential tone
"All this has happened before --"
"But it doesn't have to happen again. Not if we make up our minds to change. Take a different path. Right here, right now."
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Deepcrush » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:24 pm

Thing is that it would require the acceptance of excuses from the other captains. Kirk, Sisko... not big on excuses. Their tempers may even be shorter then mine.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Tyyr » Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:28 pm

Depends. If the existing captains are privy to what actually went down and saw things like "A Night in Sickbay," there goes Archer's slack.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Fri Jan 14, 2011 11:25 pm

They're privy to everything. No hiding logs or anything like that.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby stitch626 » Sat Jan 15, 2011 12:56 am

Archer's dead. At the very least they will all talk him to death.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Mark » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:43 am

I don't think so. His actions that day, while screwy, led to the Prime Directive..which they all believe in whole heartedly (even Janeway in her...........unique way).
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Deepcrush » Sat Jan 15, 2011 2:53 am

Mark wrote:I don't think so. His actions that day, while screwy, led to the Prime Directive..which they all believe in whole heartedly (even Janeway in her...........unique way).


I doubt that. Kirk has shown he uses the PD as a guide but feels free to counter it when needed. Picard has violated it on at least seven accounts and Sisko... He's the f***ing Sisko. He does what he pleases when he pleases!
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Foxbat » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:03 am

My take...

Perhaps Archer's poor decisions are the basis for what not to do in similar future circumstances.

Kirk will, as stated before, violate the prime directive if it serves the greater good (needs of the many and all that...)

Picard will take the time to consider all the facets of the situation and invariably make the most 'correct-est' choice after considering all the alternatives.

Sisko - In the Pale moonlight... 'nuff said...

Janeway will adhere to the letter of the directive, regardless of circumstance. She has the benefit of accessing the insights of all the other 4 captains that have served before her, and yet makes the poorest decisions...
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Mark » Sat Jan 15, 2011 4:59 am

Remember, Archer was the one making things up as he went along. All the others had a playbook of right and wrong to go by....he didn't. He wrote the book.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Deepcrush » Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:18 am

IQ and morales would have helped a lot though... he lacked both.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Mark » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:15 am

What he for in those he somehow made up for in...........cheese. At least he had enough for the true Captain of the Ship...Porthos.
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Re: They sit and talk: the five Captains

Postby Deepcrush » Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:30 am

Mark wrote:What he for in those he somehow made up for in...........cheese.


Total flashback to watching Robin Hood : Men in Tights! :laughroll:
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