Your favorite Klingon ship class

[RK_Striker_JK_5]

Nominating the K'T'inga. Or seconding it, actually.

[SolkaTruesilver]

Size, I'd guess. the K'Vort's attacking the Bortas where not dissimilar in size (even taking into effect distance distortion) where as a BoP would be way smaller in comparison.

I always attributed it to bad special effect

[Deepcrush]

Good eye. How do you point out the difference between BoP and K'Vort Class Cruisers?

Size, I'd guess. the K'Vort's attacking the Bortas where not dissimilar in size (even taking into effect distance distortion) where as a BoP would be way smaller in comparison.

Reliant is correct, the ships attacking the Bortas were the same size as the Vorcha class Cruiser. B'rels are far smaller, on par with the Defiant and Jem'Hadar attack ship.

I always attributed it to bad special effect

Its very possible but we can't lay on that when covering Canon InUniverse material.

[SolkaTruesilver]

I still can't figure how you judge the (mightily beautiful) Vor'Cha attack cruiser is on par with the GSC. We only have its performance against 2 K'Vorta after an ambush, and we only have as a benchmark Alternate GSC vs 3 K'Vorta.

I mean, for all we know, the Vor'Cha is maybe even more powerful than the Enterprise. Or less.

[Captain Seafort]

B'rels are far smaller, on par with the Defiant and Jem'Hadar attack ship.

On the contrary - B'rel's are indistinguishable from the cruisers that attacked the alt E-D in YE and the Bortas in Redemption.

I always attributed it to bad special effect

Its very possible

Possible, but unlikely. The TNG appearances of the BoP are too consistently in the 300-350m range to be chalked up to bad effects - I'm pretty confident that the size was consciously inflated, possibly to make the relative sizes about the same as the scout and the E-nil.

[Deepcrush]

On the contrary - B'rel's are indistinguishable from the cruisers that attacked the alt E-D in YE and the Bortas in Redemption.

Wrong, they are very distinguishable. While SFX have been commonly messed up, thats an OOU answer to an IU question. The ships in YE were spoken directly as K'Vort Class Battlecruisers. The ships attacking the Bortas were of the same size.

[Captain Seafort]

Wrong, they are very distinguishable. While SFX have been commonly messed up, thats an OOU answer to an IU question. The ships in YE were spoken directly as K'Vort Class Battlecruisers. The ships attacking the Bortas were of the same size.

And the ships that attacked the E-D in Rascals, the only occasion on which the B'rel-class was named, were the same size as the ships in YE and Redemption. Why two different names were used for identical ships is unknown - possibly due to internal differences, but that they're externally identical is irrefutable.

[SolkaTruesilver]

Wrong, they are very distinguishable. While SFX have been commonly messed up, thats an OOU answer to an IU question. The ships in YE were spoken directly as K'Vort Class Battlecruisers. The ships attacking the Bortas were of the same size.

And the ships that attacked the E-D in Rascals, the only occasion on which the B'rel-class was named, were the same size as the ships in YE and Redemption. [b]Why two different names were used for identical ships is unknown [/b]- possibly due to internal differences, but that they're externally identical is irrefutable.

Alternate timeline?

[Captain Seafort]

Certainly another possibility. We don't know and never will. What we do know is that the designs are externally indistinguishable.

[stitch626]

The only difference I've seen between named B'rel and named K'vort is the B'rel wings are down and the K'vort wings are in flight position.

[Deepcrush]

I still can't figure how you judge the (mightily beautiful) Vor'Cha attack cruiser is on par with the GSC. We only have its performance against 2 K'Vorta after an ambush, and we only have as a benchmark Alternate GSC vs 3 K'Vorta.

I mean, for all we know, the Vor'Cha is maybe even more powerful than the Enterprise. Or less.

I believe it is mildly less powerful then the GCS but is available in far greater numbers. Its main focus is that massive forward disruptor on the front. In a head to head battle I would expect the Vor'cha to be able to give out a damn fine fight.

And the ships that attacked the E-D in Rascals, the only occasion on which the B'rel-class was named, were the same size as the ships in YE and Redemption. Why two different names were used for identical ships is unknown - possibly due to internal differences, but that they're externally identical is irrefutable.

Since you have no IC proof that they are anything of the same sort. Then we can only go by what we know for sure when trying to rate them. The B'Rel is a cruiser at most, the K'Vort a Battlecruiser by canon. That means at the least the K'Vort outmatches the B'rel in some fashion. Also since I haven't seen an image from rascals to show anything I can't say either way if they are the same size. Its been a long time since I've seen that ep.

[Captain Seafort]

The battle in Rascals (approx 5:20 onwards)

The battle in YE (approx 7:15 onwards)

Notice the similarities?

[Deepcrush]

Indeed you are correct, I think that may even be the same footage.

What class would we count Martok's Rotaron as? (spelling?)

[Reliant121]

Difficult. The Rotarran always looked a lot smaller but it's always attributed as a B'Rel IIRC.

[Deepcrush]

Difficult. The Rotarran always looked a lot smaller but it's always attributed as a B'Rel IIRC.

As did I but I appear to have been wrong. Still, that doesn't really remove the ability of the Vor'cha, I was just mistaken in naming its attackers.