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Random thought
Just something that came to mind: the idea that 24th Century packing crates are indestructible might not be so far-fetched in light of the fact some current packaging already is! Namely, the "clamshell" plastic everything seems to come in these days which requires something on the order of a plasma torch to open.
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I've often wondered about that packaging. Oh yes, I've battled it many times. Broke a pair of scissors....dulled a knife or two...ran the chainsaw out of gas....that kind of things. Whose bright idea WAS that?
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Is there any canon evidence that they're indestructible?
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If you sit long enough someone will mention the numerous times people have taken cover from phasers behind them. This means that either they're indestructible or phasers are stupidly weak.(in some schools of thought)thelordharry wrote:Is there any canon evidence that they're indestructible?
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When Sisko and Eddington take cover behind barrels in Blaze of Glory, Sisko says that they made out of Duridium (something like) and should hold off the Jem'Hadars rifle blasts for a while.
And I hate those plastic packages that once ripped open can slice a finger off.
And I hate those plastic packages that once ripped open can slice a finger off.
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Given that phasers will barely burst a modern tire, the "phasers are stupidly weak" argument is definitely the more likely one.Sonic Glitch wrote:If you sit long enough someone will mention the numerous times people have taken cover from phasers behind them. This means that either they're indestructible or phasers are stupidly weak.(in some schools of thought)
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They really need to put a BOLD statement in the writers guides on this subject. In some episodes and movies a phaser strike vaporizes the person. In others it seems to be a firm punch. Voyager was the worst on this but all the series had problems. The thing is logically you would not use phasers/disruptors over bullets unless they were more deadly, particularly if you were not the Federation.Captain Seafort wrote:Given that phasers will barely burst a modern tire, the "phasers are stupidly weak" argument is definitely the more likely one.Sonic Glitch wrote:If you sit long enough someone will mention the numerous times people have taken cover from phasers behind them. This means that either they're indestructible or phasers are stupidly weak.(in some schools of thought)
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That's no problem - the weapons have variable settings so there's no problem. If you were only likely to encounter one or two enemies, you could afford to crank the power up to be certain of a kill. If, however, you were likely to be in a prolonged firefight, you'd be better off reducing the power to a level that will probably kill your enemy, but will give you a much greater number of shotsBigJKU316 wrote:In some episodes and movies a phaser strike vaporizes the person. In others it seems to be a firm punch. Voyager was the worst on this but all the series had problems.
Lethality is not the only consideration - if one weapon is slightly less effective than another but has a much greater ammunition capacity, then there's a good case for using the less destructive one. Similarly, if you were the Federation flexibility is important - they apparently want their weapons to be able to stun and heat as well as kill, and are willing the accept reduced stopping power to achieve this. Don't forget that, while phasers are pretty weak against rock, metal, etc, they are very effective against people. Don't mistake their limitations for a lack of lethality.The thing is logically you would not use phasers/disruptors over bullets unless they were more deadly
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I always chalked it up to the shooter choosing "underkill" and opposed to "overkill". They seem to keep the weapon at a lower than optimal setting.
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They look like Phyllis Diller,
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the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
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Yeah, I am more or less saying that in a new sereis they ought to exercise much tighter writing control and keep them from having main characters take a shot from a race that clearly won't have a stun setting on a phaser/disruptor in the chest and shake it off in a few minutes.Captain Seafort wrote:That's no problem - the weapons have variable settings so there's no problem. If you were only likely to encounter one or two enemies, you could afford to crank the power up to be certain of a kill. If, however, you were likely to be in a prolonged firefight, you'd be better off reducing the power to a level that will probably kill your enemy, but will give you a much greater number of shotsBigJKU316 wrote:In some episodes and movies a phaser strike vaporizes the person. In others it seems to be a firm punch. Voyager was the worst on this but all the series had problems.
Lethality is not the only consideration - if one weapon is slightly less effective than another but has a much greater ammunition capacity, then there's a good case for using the less destructive one. Similarly, if you were the Federation flexibility is important - they apparently want their weapons to be able to stun and heat as well as kill, and are willing the accept reduced stopping power to achieve this. Don't forget that, while phasers are pretty weak against rock, metal, etc, they are very effective against people. Don't mistake their limitations for a lack of lethality.The thing is logically you would not use phasers/disruptors over bullets unless they were more deadly
If you don't want main characters to die then stop having them get shot all the time.
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Why would any race "clearly not have a stun setting"? Prisoners are useful - you can obtain intelligence from them.BigJKU316 wrote:Yeah, I am more or less saying that in a new sereis they ought to exercise much tighter writing control and keep them from having main characters take a shot from a race that clearly won't have a stun setting on a phaser/disruptor in the chest and shake it off in a few minutes.
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Well I think on screen the Breen and Jem-Hadar both were stated to have only kill settings on their weapons at one point or another. And there are lots of situations where it is clear someone would not be using such a setting and someone gets shot and acts like they were hardly hurt.Captain Seafort wrote:Why would any race "clearly not have a stun setting"? Prisoners are useful - you can obtain intelligence from them.BigJKU316 wrote:Yeah, I am more or less saying that in a new sereis they ought to exercise much tighter writing control and keep them from having main characters take a shot from a race that clearly won't have a stun setting on a phaser/disruptor in the chest and shake it off in a few minutes.
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Or weapons that at least consistantly char a uniform.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
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Believe it or not but one of those packages did slice open whatever that fleshy tendon between your thumb and forefinger. I'd rather go through a torture of a thousand paper cuts than go through the healing of that cut!Mark wrote:I've often wondered about that packaging. Oh yes, I've battled it many times. Broke a pair of scissors....dulled a knife or two...ran the chainsaw out of gas....that kind of things. Whose bright idea WAS that?
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Random thought:
I wonder what would happen if, take for example, your personal replicator in your crew quarters on your starship or your quarters on DS9, you ordered something from your replicator, say a cup or tea, Earl Grey, cold but accidentally put your hand in it whilst your order was materialising. Could that happen? If so, would a safety feature stop the process? Is there a temporary forcefield around the replicator as it produces? I'd hate to walk around with a cup in my hand...
I wonder what would happen if, take for example, your personal replicator in your crew quarters on your starship or your quarters on DS9, you ordered something from your replicator, say a cup or tea, Earl Grey, cold but accidentally put your hand in it whilst your order was materialising. Could that happen? If so, would a safety feature stop the process? Is there a temporary forcefield around the replicator as it produces? I'd hate to walk around with a cup in my hand...
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