Let's Equip Starfleet Security

[Deepcrush]

Granted with Odo........I was specifically referring to Starfleets "ground forces"

I think I covered that with...

I think DS9 had it covered, at least somewhat.

But that could just be me.

[kostmayer]

I think DS9 had it covered, at least somewhat. Odo's staff always seemed separate from the Ops staff. But like I said, I'll post up an update of everything to date. Then people can just say if they want anything added.

Weren't Odo's deputies under Bajoran authority rather then Starfleets? I was never clear where Odo fitted into the Command structure.

[Sonic Glitch]

I think DS9 had it covered, at least somewhat. Odo's staff always seemed separate from the Ops staff. But like I said, I'll post up an update of everything to date. Then people can just say if they want anything added.

Weren't Odo's deputies under Bajoran authority rather then Starfleets? I was never clear where Odo fitted into the Command structure.

I believe Odo and his security staff were technically part of the Bajoran Militia. Since it was a Bajoran-owned station and the primary merchants and inhabitants would be (ideally) Bajoran, the Council of Ministers or whatever they call themselves probably would want someone under Bajoran authority in charge of security.

[SomosFuga]

All the command structure in DS9 is odd, to say the least.

[SomosFuga]

I'd make them an independent force, under the Admiralty, but not part of Starfleet itself. Security should be limited to ship-centric duties - guarding sensitive areas, repel boarders, honour guard for VIPs, making up numbers for landing parties, etc. The Marines' job is to conduct full-scale warfare - either in the traditional amphibious assault role or as elite infantry.

In that case, something like the MACOs (but being SF members) would be appropriate for Security as in limited ship-centric duties ... and a separate independent force (non SF) to work like the USMC. About being under SF Admiralty, i don't know, are the US navy and USMC under the same lidership?

[Mikey]

Yep. The USMC is part of the Department of the Navy. I believe that such soldiery should likewise be part of Starfleet, even if independent of the Security branch.

[Mark]

I'm a stong believer in cross training...........however, you NEED specialists. In this case, combat specialists with one mission. Engage the enemy in space, in air, on land, or on sea.....and kill him.

[Deepcrush]

Could a mod please add a poll to this. Just for a while that is, as I believe with the back and forth a vote is called for.

What should Security be?
-Marines who double as police-
or
-SWAT, not useful for drawn out battles but more effective for policing duties-

This is important because if we believe that SF Security needs to be treated as its own Marine Corps then we have to redesign at great deal. If we believe the two should remain separate then we need a police force.

[Mikey]

Done. Will run for 5 days, one vote per person, may be changed.

[Nickswitz]

Done. Will run for 5 days, one vote per person, may be changed.

No it can't be changed...

[Mark]

Anyway, I think that is a great idea with the poll Deep.

Before we can properly equip Security, we first must clearly define their role before we can move on.

[SomosFuga]

But swat and police are not the same, i mean police not like security force but like detectives to solve crimes, maybe not important on a ship but very important in a facility with thousands, maybe tens of thousands people including civilians, etc.

I think there have to be at least 2 different things, the FIRST one is "limited to ship-centric duties - guarding sensitive areas, repel boarders, honour guard for VIPs, making up numbers for landing parties, etc." including a branch of comandos for small boarding, rescue, extraction,etc missions. SECOND some kind of military police for the crime solving in bigger, non exclusively SF facilities (like Odo's guys), probably not in starships. In the facilities where they are needed (like would be DS9 or K7) they work together with the first ones (who act like guards and swat, the muscle). All of them are SF Security.

Finally if UFP or SF need a marine corps, that is other subjet but i think they should exist as a totally different organization (like i think is with the USMC)

What is SOF?

[Mikey]

Finally if UFP or SF need a marine corps, that is other subjet but i think they should exist as a totally different organization (like i think is with the USMC)

I'm telling you, the USMC is part of the Department of the Navy. It even says so on the USMC seal. Such a force should be separate from security, but there's no need to be separate from Starfleet. Any expeditionary forces are going to naturally intertwined with Starfleet, who calls all the military action anyway.

What is SOF?

It's American jargon... "Special Operations Forces." The term "Special Forces" often refers to the Green Berets specifically, so we use SOF to refer to Delta Force, Force Recon, Rangers, the 82nd/101st, etc.

[SomosFuga]

Finally if UFP or SF need a marine corps, that is other subjet but i think they should exist as a totally different organization (like i think is with the USMC)

I'm telling you, the USMC is part of the Department of the Navy. It even says so on the USMC seal. Such a force should be separate from security, but there's no need to be separate from Starfleet. Any expeditionary forces are going to naturally intertwined with Starfleet, who calls all the military action anyway.

Do they have the same rank system and all that?, doesn't USMC operate their own planes, have their own bases, etc? sorry i really don't understand well how it works, i thought USMC was more like a second but smaller army.

[Mikey]

They do have their own materiel, ranks, and field command; but they are part of the navy as far as general staff, etc.