Where have all the redshirts gone?

Trek Books, Games and General chat
User avatar
Bryan Moore
Captain
Captain
Posts: 2729
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 4:39 am
Location: Perpetual Summer Camp
Contact:

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Bryan Moore »

I'm sort of of the opinion that the producers likely kept the redshirts off the away teams because they had already been so cliched as being a guaranteed death. Moreover, if you look at the TNG away missions, they're very often of a far more diplomatic nature than in TOS. WHile I agree it makes sense to send security along, the TNG series was far less Captain-centric (yes, I'm using that as a word), and the plots weren't centered around the captain getting into a fight with an alien or getting into a humping match with a hot alien woman, making the whole away formula of Kirk, Spock, McCoy, Ensign Billy a lot less necessary.
Don't you hear my call, though you're many years away, don't you hear me calling you?
Mark
4 Star Admiral
4 Star Admiral
Posts: 17671
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:49 am
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Mark »

So, instead they have the "Standard Issue" away team. Of course, in TNG we didn't see them beam down to planets like Kirk & co. and make first contact as they did in TOS. They barely EVER lost a member of a landing party. It seemed like they had all the answers by TNG.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
Tyyr
3 Star Admiral
3 Star Admiral
Posts: 10654
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:49 pm
Location: Jeri Ryan's Dressing Room, Shhhhh

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Tyyr »

You also have to remember that they spent a lot more time doing Federation busy work in TNG. TOS spent a lot more time on the frontier. Quite a bit more intrinsic danger for the TOS redshirts.
Mikey
Fleet Admiral
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 35635
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:04 am
Commendations: The Daystrom Award
Location: down the shore, New Jersey, USA
Contact:

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Mikey »

IU, we also saw a fair bit of technological improvement from TOS to TNG. I daresay that there's a lot of info that could be gotten from orbit in TNG that required an away team in TOS.
I can't stand nothing dull
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer
JudgeKing
Lieutenant Commander
Lieutenant Commander
Posts: 1104
Joined: Sat Jul 14, 2007 5:53 am
Location: Somewhere in the universe

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by JudgeKing »

Natural Selection rang true and the redshirts became better therefore increasing their survival rates. Evolution in action I tell you.

Sorry to necro.
There is not a problem in this world that can't be solved without the proper application of a sufficient number of thermonuclear ordnance.
Mikey
Fleet Admiral
Fleet Admiral
Posts: 35635
Joined: Fri Jul 27, 2007 3:04 am
Commendations: The Daystrom Award
Location: down the shore, New Jersey, USA
Contact:

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Mikey »

JudgeKing wrote:Natural Selection rang true and the redshirts became better therefore increasing their survival rates. Evolution in action I tell you.

Sorry to necro.
Or, they all just Darwined their way out of the gene pool.
I can't stand nothing dull
I got the high gloss luster
I'll massacre your ass as fast
as Bull offed Custer
Tyyr
3 Star Admiral
3 Star Admiral
Posts: 10654
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:49 pm
Location: Jeri Ryan's Dressing Room, Shhhhh

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Tyyr »

Of course it could just be a Kirk thing or a Picard thing. Maybe one or the other of them is the exception. Maybe Kirk just took redshirts as a matter of habit while Picard let Riker and company run around without them.
Vic
Lieutenant Commander
Lieutenant Commander
Posts: 1179
Joined: Thu May 28, 2009 12:20 pm
Location: Springfield MO

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Vic »

And Picard's plans to get rid of Riker failed time after time, foiled by the character shield Riker seemed to be able to call up at will. :evil:
God is great, beer is good, and people are crazy.
.................................................Billy Currington
Sionnach Glic
4 Star Admiral
4 Star Admiral
Posts: 26014
Joined: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:58 pm
Location: Poblacht na hÉireann, Baile Átha Cliath

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Sionnach Glic »

Tyyr wrote:Of course it could just be a Kirk thing or a Picard thing. Maybe one or the other of them is the exception. Maybe Kirk just took redshirts as a matter of habit while Picard let Riker and company run around without them.
Or maybe it's a change in Starfleet procedure. Back in TOS, it was probably standard practice to take guards with you on a mission. In the more pacifistic TNG Federation, it's possible they dropped that requirement of away teams.
"You've all been selected for this mission because you each have a special skill. Professor Hawking, John Leslie, Phil Neville, the Wu-Tang Clan, Usher, the Sugar Puffs Monster and Daniel Day-Lewis! Welcome to Operation MindFuck!"
User avatar
Captain Seafort
4 Star Admiral
4 Star Admiral
Posts: 15548
Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 1:44 pm
Location: Blighty

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Captain Seafort »

Or even banned them, so as not to appear hostile.
Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe: Albert Einstein.
Tyyr
3 Star Admiral
3 Star Admiral
Posts: 10654
Joined: Tue Mar 31, 2009 10:49 pm
Location: Jeri Ryan's Dressing Room, Shhhhh

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Tyyr »

That's just stupid enough to be plausible.
Mark
4 Star Admiral
4 Star Admiral
Posts: 17671
Joined: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:49 am
Location: Honolulu, Hawaii

Re: Where have all the redshirts gone?

Post by Mark »

I think it has to do more with a show of faith and good will. They don't bring "bodyguards" as the are MUCH more diplimatic than the TOS Federation. Plus, how many honest to goodness first contacts did we see in TNG vs TOS? Kirk and co. were exploring a brand new planet all the time, where humans never set foot before. Not so much in TNG.
They say that in the Army,
the women are mighty fine.
They look like Phyllis Diller,
and walk like Frankenstein.
Post Reply