Trek and morality
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Trek and morality
I can't write "Trek" humans. I just can't. They just come off all wrong. I keep humanizing them.
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Re: SG1-season 1
Just write about a crew of UFP misfits. They'd be fine for us.
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Re: SG1-season 1
Here's where you're getting it wrong, you are trying to make them just like we are today. Not 100+ years from now as Roddy was trying to do, the whole idea is that humanity has not just advanced technologically but also morally as well. Keep your characters from doing the morally reprehensible (sp?) thing and keep them on the straight and narrow, that is truly "humanizing" them.Tyyr wrote:I can't write "Trek" humans. I just can't. They just come off all wrong. I keep humanizing them.
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The problem is that UFP humans aren't above doing moraly reprehensible things. They just like to preach that they were justified in doing so.
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Well then, that is just like people today, problem solved.
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Re: SG1-season 1
Slight difference - people today, by and large, don't tend to call genocide a lesser evil.
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Re: SG1-season 1
Tell that to the Germans.
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Re: SG1-season 1
The Germans seem to understand the fact of genocide=evil these days. The Serbs/Rwandans/Turks/Iranians, on the other hand, I'm not so sure about.
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Except that I don't buy it. Humans are still pretty much the same creatures we have been for the last ten thousand years. I'm not buying that in a century or two we manage to completely shed EVERY vestige of humanity in that time.Vic wrote:Here's where you're getting it wrong, you are trying to make them just like we are today. Not 100+ years from now as Roddy was trying to do, the whole idea is that humanity has not just advanced technologically but also morally as well. Keep your characters from doing the morally reprehensible (sp?) thing and keep them on the straight and narrow, that is truly "humanizing" them.
The other problem is that while they like to talk about how evolved they are they really aren't. There are plenty of humans that still act like humans we see today. Hell, the ones who like to claim they're so evolved are often the very ones guilty of the things they claim to have eliminated. In the end they sound like hypocritcal douche bags.
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Personaly I view the whole "we're so moral and better than those ancient barbarians" thing to be just propaganda.
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Re: SG1-season 1
Never really saw any of that crap in TOS. They seemed to keep their heads squared away.
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No, most of that bullshit started in TNG. Apparently between TOS and TNG OOC Roddenberry decided to make it a preachy show and IC the Federation went through some kind of revolution.
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GR always wanted it that way. What prevented him preaching that view in TOS was the fact that he didn't have as much control over the show, and the studio chiefs slapped those ideas down.
Roll on to TNG, and GR has almost complete control over the show.
Roll on to TNG, and GR has almost complete control over the show.
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Re: Trek and morality
Split from here.
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