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me,myself and I wrote: And Crusher's transactions and DS9 take place outside of Federation territory. Deneb (Denab?, Farpoint Station whereever it is) was not a Federation planet, they were allowing the Feds to build a base there. DS9 is technically Bajoran territory and as such, subject to whatever Bajors economy is
Then how do they get local currency in the first place? They have to have wealth of some sort to convert into the local currency to buy stuff.
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me,myself and I wrote: At the very least, "buying" a boat may mean some sort of exchange of goods or services, and/or this was also TOS-Era when they may still have had the "credit" system. As for the other examples, I get the feeling that Kirk and Bones were looking for... "extralegal" means of transportation as Genesis was forbidden. It is conceivable that various space faring captains who would be willing to make such a journey also operate outside the Federations established economy.
And Crusher's transactions and DS9 take place outside of Federation territory. Deneb (Denab?, Farpoint Station whereever it is) was not a Federation planet, they were allowing the Feds to build a base there. DS9 is technically Bajoran territory and as such, subject to whatever Bajors economy is.
You have to have something to give them something in return for their goods. And Crusher specifically mentions "her account".
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I wonder if the Inner Light Flute Solo will become popular music then =P
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me,myself and I wrote: At the very least, "buying" a boat may mean some sort of exchange of goods or services, and/or this was also TOS-Era when they may still have had the "credit" system. As for the other examples, I get the feeling that Kirk and Bones were looking for... "extralegal" means of transportation as Genesis was forbidden. It is conceivable that various space faring captains who would be willing to make such a journey also operate outside the Federations established economy.
And Crusher's transactions and DS9 take place outside of Federation territory. Deneb (Denab?, Farpoint Station whereever it is) was not a Federation planet, they were allowing the Feds to build a base there. DS9 is technically Bajoran territory and as such, subject to whatever Bajors economy is.
You have to have something to give them something in return for their goods. And Crusher specifically mentions "her account".
True. Latinum seems to be the mostly-standard currency outside the UFP and its probable (based on TOS) that the Federation operates on some sort of credit system. "No money" in the 23rd century, or 24th century (TVH and FC) could just mean, "no money in the sense that we use it" (IDK how that would work, but just go with it). There's probably some sort of exchange between Federation Credits and Alien Currency of the Week.
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Even assuming that the UFP uses some sort of virtual currency or credit system... that has to be backed by something liquid in order to exchange with actual currency-based economies.
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US currency isn't backed by anything but a promise right now. It could be that the Federation and its economy is seen as stable enough that some people, like on Deneb, are willing to accept their money at face value while others, like Quark, demand latinum and let a money changer accept the risk associated with Federation currency.
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Tyyr wrote:US currency isn't backed by anything but a promise right now. It could be that the Federation and its economy is seen as stable enough that some people, like on Deneb, are willing to accept their money at face value while others, like Quark, demand latinum and let a money changer accept the risk associated with Federation currency.
But US currency works because the other modern nations with whom we trade also use a non-certificate from of currency. If I'm a Ferengi who deals in hard, commodity-based currency, I want nothing to do with a credit which I can exchange for... nothing.
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me,myself and I wrote:its probable (based on TOS) that the Federation operates on some sort of credit system. "No money" in the 23rd century, or 24th century (TVH and FC) could just mean, "no money in the sense that we use it" (IDK how that would work, but just go with it).
That would work in the 23rd century, where they clearly have a proper economy Kirk's comment notwithstanding, but by "The Neutral Zone", Picard didn't even understand the concept of financial investment.
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Welp, I'm going to back off from the economic conversation, because I'm more interested in the music scene. I'm going to go with a blanket statement: since quality of life is better, and people probably have more free time and better education methods, live music in the 24th century is possibly (and hopefully) a more common activity. I think holodeck recreations of famous concerts would be common. Woodstock anyone?
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The possibilities are endless! "Grateful Dead at Nassau Coliseum in 1990 - I sat in on Scarlet Begonias."
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Could be lots of fun. I think I'd sit in with Frank Zappa!
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I'd be afraid of getting thrown off a stage. :wink:
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Mikey wrote:The possibilities are endless! "Grateful Dead at Nassau Coliseum in 1990 - I sat in on Scarlet Begonias."
Is it wrong to enjoy Jimmy Buffett's version better?
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Bryan Moore wrote:
Mikey wrote:The possibilities are endless! "Grateful Dead at Nassau Coliseum in 1990 - I sat in on Scarlet Begonias."
Is it wrong to enjoy Jimmy Buffett's version better?
I normally don't make absolute value judgements on matters of opinion - but yes. Yes, it is. :P
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Mikey wrote:
Bryan Moore wrote:
Mikey wrote:The possibilities are endless! "Grateful Dead at Nassau Coliseum in 1990 - I sat in on Scarlet Begonias."
Is it wrong to enjoy Jimmy Buffett's version better?
I normally don't make absolute value judgements on matters of opinion - but yes. Yes, it is. :P
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