The Return of the MVAM Debate
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Re: The Return of the MVAM Debate
Sort of like having 750 GB of hard drive space, but an OS limitation of 500.
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Re: The Return of the MVAM Debate
There are the same number of components for a whole ship as there are for the three ships when separated. The single ship will produce at least equal power to the three smaller ships, and it will have an equal number of components as all three combined.stitch626 wrote:To be honest it doesn't matter if the combined core produces more power than the three individual cores if there aren't enough components to use that power. Even if it can produce 3x the amount of power, it will be wasted unless the systems can use it.
(Yeah, not technically true as the smaller ships of a MVAM ship will have armor on the exposed areas, while the larger ship will have walkways, sickbays, sensors, etc and will need a slightly larger reactor for those. The mass needed for the reactor can come from the fact that it doesn't need to armor areas that are never exposed.)
If there is any excess power capacity due to the components not needing any, it means that in combat the reactors will be brought up to full power, and the shields, weapons, structural field, sensors, and jammers of the whole ship will be stronger than the three smaller ships combined in terms of straight power output. This is a mark against MVAM (and trying to use an equal mass of smaller ships against one larger ships).
Remember all the times when Kirk, Picard, Sisko, and Janeway kept demanding more power? The larger ship would be able to provide the power when needed.
lol! Good one.Tsukiyumi wrote:Sort of like having 750 GB of hard drive space, but an OS limitation of 500.
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Re: The Return of the MVAM Debate
Also, with a larger core Most likely comes less efficiency. As with any type of engine.
Therefore, it is likely that the three cores connected would be less efficient than three individual cores.
Therefore, it is likely that the three cores connected would be less efficient than three individual cores.
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Re: The Return of the MVAM Debate
Then build three individual cores in a single ship. Redundancy is always good.
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Isn't that kind of what they did? (At least it is the way I look at MVAM)Rochey wrote:Then build three individual cores in a single ship. Redundancy is always good.
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I'm talking about putting them in one ship that doesn't seperate.
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How about a multi vector shipyard? Build three at once!Coalition wrote:...why don't you build a bigger shipyard, and build a single bigger ship.
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Sounds like a good idea... but think of how many times the E-D would have blown up had she three cores.Rochey wrote:Then build three individual cores in a single ship. Redundancy is always good.
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Re: The Return of the MVAM Debate
I have this strange mental image of Geordi rushing from one part of the ship to another, franticaly trying to stop each of the reactors from blowing up.
That problem only really seemed to plague the GCS line. No other ship ever demonstrated such a strong desire to commit hari-kari.
That problem only really seemed to plague the GCS line. No other ship ever demonstrated such a strong desire to commit hari-kari.
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Rochey wrote:I have this strange mental image of Geordi rushing from one part of the ship to another, franticaly trying to stop each of the reactors from blowing up.
That problem only really seemed to plague the GCS line. No other ship ever demonstrated such a strong desire to commit hari-kari.
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Re: The Return of the MVAM Debate
OMG LMFAORochey wrote:
I simply can't imagine anyone inteligent building a ship that's a hybrid of a battleship and a science ship, and then filling it up with civilians. But we have the GCS.
Starfleet does a tonne of things that make absolutely no sense, and indeed may even hinder their performance. Applying that mentality to spaceships isn't too unreal.
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