Yup. Michael Collins and the IRA caused so much trouble that the Brits figured we weren't worth the trouble, and gave us limited independance. That later turned into full independance a few years later rather queitly.Dusk wrote:They negotiated with terrorists??????!!!!!
Hey, it's what we did after all those other rebellions over the centuries.Mikey wrote:They should have just let you be. It wouldn't have been too long before you got bored with it and buggered off to the pub.
Yeah I thought he was in the North.Mikey wrote:I didn't think it was part of the UK. Somebody mentioned the fact of you working/able to participate in unemployment insurance in the UK. Maybe they thought you were from Northern Ireland.
No, the Republic. Hence why my location is in Irish.Yeah I thought he was in the North.
Quietly? If I recall my history correctly, De Valera decided to unilateraly alter the terms of the treaty while Westminster was busy arguing over apeasement. And proceded to nick the Treaty Ports while he was at it.Rochey wrote:That later turned into full independance a few years later rather queitly.
Okay, perhaps it would have been more accurate to say that while you lot were looking the other way, we stole the country and threatened to go running to Hitler if you actualy tried to enforce the treaties we'd both agreed to.Quietly? If I recall my history correctly, De Valera decided to unilateraly alter the terms of the treaty while Westminster was busy arguing over apeasement. And proceded to nick the Treaty Ports while he was at it.
Damn right. Under his leadership, the entire IRA leadership got themselves captured by British forces without a fight. After he was broken out of jail, he buggered off to the US, leaving Collins and his gang to fight the war. By the time he'd gotten back, Collins had won the war, and the Brits had agreed to give Ireland some independance. How does De Valera thank Collins? By setting him up to take the fall when the British didn't agree to make Ireland a sovereign state. And then, just to top it all off, he starts a freaking civil war over a treaty that he knew would be put in place no matter who was in power.That man seems to have caused so many problems either side of the Irish Sea that both countries would have been better off if we'd shot the bugger while we had the chance.
He was next on the list. Unfortunately the confusion over his US citizenship delayed things, and by the time the matter had been sorted out the executions had been stopped.Rochey wrote:Gah, you should have shot him when you grabbed him after the Easter Rising.
Yeah, damn shame.He was next on the list. Unfortunately the confusion over his US citizenship delayed things, and by the time the matter had been sorted out the executions had been stopped.
The events in it are fairly accurate, but the film does contain a fair bit of bias. I haven't seen it in a good while, but I remember it being fairly okay. The major differences that I can remember are that Harry Boland (Collins' best friend) wasn't killed the way he was in the film, Ned Broy (the informer) wasn't killed, Ned Broy wasn't the informer from Dublin Castle at all (though he did work somewhere else), and that the leaders of the Easter Rising didn't surrender outside the General Post Office as in the start of the film, but in a nearby street when they attempted to escape.Unfortunately, the only knowledge of that chapter in Irish history I have is from the movie Michael Collins, with Liam Neeson. How accurate was that film anyways?
I loved it, personally. I'm glad it was fairly accurate.Rochey wrote:The events in it are fairly accurate, but the film does contain a fair bit of bias. I haven't seen it in a good while, but I remember it being fairly okay. The major differences that I can remember are that Harry Boland (Collins' best friend) wasn't killed the way he was in the film, Ned Broy (the informer) wasn't killed, Ned Broy wasn't the informer from Dublin Castle at all (though he did work somewhere else), and that the leaders of the Easter Rising didn't surrender outside the General Post Office as in the start of the film, but in a nearby street when they attempted to escape.
Other than that, I think its a fairly alright rendition.
Yeah, it's a pretty cool film. I show it to my history class when we start doing Irish 20th century history. It pretty much encapsulates what went on from the Easter Rising to the civil war in a neat little package.I loved it, personally. I'm glad it was fairly accurate.
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