Maps

Captain Picard's Hair · Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:55 pm

I did find it odd that the Romulan Empire was so small in 2373, considering their influence, as Seafort notes. Specifically, Sisko considered them to be powerful enough that they would significantly alter the odds in the Dominion War.

Graham's map is constrained by the fact that Deneb, a real star whose position is known, is known to be in Federation space by 2374. This puts a lower limit on the western expanse of the Federation, unless we assume as some others have that the Federation is split among a number of smaller bubbles of space.

The Tholians and Gorn to seem big. If they were of that size, they would have merited mention during the Dominion War.

It is a problem, as someone noted above, is that the map is a two dimensional representation of entities that exist in three dimensions. This problem is unavoidable, of course. The fact that our galaxy is a disk only a thousand LY think, however, does help matters to a significant degree, especially when it comes to powers like the UFP and KE that are far more than 1000LY in their longest dimension.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 7:59 pm

The Tholians and Gorn to seem big. If they were of that size, they would have merited mention during the Dominion War.

Why? They stayed neutral, so there was no reason to talk of them. Had the Romulans remained neutral, then there wouldn't be much talk of them, either.

Captain Picard's Hair · Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:06 pm

I just thought there might be some thought to enlisting their aid if they were big enough to make any difference

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:12 pm

Well, the Tholians are an obvious no-go. Any ship sent in to make contact with them would likely come back in several thousand pieces.
The Gorn appear to be similarly hostile to the Federation, which isn't that surprising given their last encounters.

Captain Picard's Hair · Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:24 pm

There's no indication that the Dominion would have stopped at the Federation... though if they did defeat the Federation, no other AQ power would stand a chance. It seems the Tholians/Gorn don't believe in the lesser of two evils.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 8:59 pm

Quite true. However, people don't always go for the most rational decision. During WW2, for example, several nations in Europe were taken over by Germany and it's allies, long after they knew of Hitler's expansionist ideals. They didn't ally themselves with the US or Britain, they stayed neutral and hoped that they wouldn't get attacked. Some countries were right, and didn't get invaded. Others were wrong and did.
This is probably the same thing. The Tholians and Gorn probably think that if they stay neutral, they'll be left alone.

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:16 pm

I just watched "A Call to Arms" last night, and they mention a non-aggression pact between the Dominion and the Tholians.

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:11 am

Thats another thing that annoys me. How could the Dominion contact the Tholians when they would have to pass through Federation space to get there?

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:12 am

Teaos wrote:Thats another thing that annoys me. How could the Dominion contact the Tholians when they would have to pass through Federation space to get there?

Subspace Radio.

Post by **Mikey** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:14 am

Cpl Kendall wrote:
Teaos wrote:Thats another thing that annoys me. How could the Dominion contact the Tholians when they would have to pass through Federation space to get there?
Subspace Radio.

They have that?

Post by **Teaos** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:19 am

Not a great way to settle a contract. And couldn't the Feds block them? Looking at the map the space between the Dominion and Tholians is the Federation core worlds.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 2:31 am

Teaos wrote:Not a great way to settle a contract.

The Earth-Romulan war was concluded by a treaty negotiated by subspace radio.

And couldn't the Feds block them?

If they knew about it and the direction it was being transmitted in. I doubt the Dominion is going to tell them though, they'd also risk jamming their own transmissions in the area.

Looking at the map the space between the Dominion and Tholians is the Federation core worlds.

Maybe they had a Founder smuggled in by freighter, maybe they sent a ship above the Galactic Disc and into Tholian space. The radio scenario is just the least complicated.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:39 pm

We've seen ships slip through Fed territory a ridiculous number of times. It wouldn't be beyond belief to imagine a Dominion ship going to meet the Tholians and slipping through Fed space.

Post by **Teaos** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:23 am

I suppose. I bet that NAP didnt help Federation/Thoilian relations any though.

KuvahMagh · Post by **KuvahMagh** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:30 am

Don't forget that in For the Cause Kassidy expected to rendezvous with a Tholian Freighter near the Badlands on the opposite side of the Federation from the Tholians, they could have secretly transported their representatives like that.