Turbolifts

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 1:54 pm

Mikey wrote:
I guess when the UFP abandoned the Maquis territory, they abandoned the Maquis's individual sapient rights as well.

Edington was right, no one wants to leave the Federation and if you do there's something wrong with you. Small wonder that SF started hounding them, even though they posed little to no threat.

It's a small jump from that to warcrimes.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:41 pm

Cpl Kendall wrote:It's a small jump from that to warcrimes.

I don't see that much of a gap at all. That's what worked for DS9; even though we all seem to agree on the heinousness of Sisko's act, it was still written with some small seed of sympathetic motivation.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:43 pm

That seems like a warcrime to me. He gassed an entire colony of people who weren't attacking him.
It makes you wonder what other attrocities the Federation allows.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:45 pm

Mikey wrote:
I don't see that much of a gap at all. That's what worked for DS9; even though we all seem to agree on the heinousness of Sisko's act, it was still written with some small seed of sympathetic motivation.

I don't any sympathy for an officer who commits warcrimes.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:46 pm

I didn't say that I had sympathy for him in that sense; I said that even with what he did, he was still written as a sympathetic character in the literary sense.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:56 pm

Mikey wrote:I didn't say that I had sympathy for him in that sense; I said that even with what he did, he was still written as a sympathetic character in the literary sense.

How do you figure?

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 3:58 pm

I think he means that he was written as a character you like.
Personaly, I was never too thrilled with him.

Aaron · Post by **Aaron** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:02 pm

Rochey wrote:I think he means that he was written as a character you like.
Personaly, I was never too thrilled with him.

I thought he was a religious psychopath, myself.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:04 pm

Yeah, that as well.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:07 pm

No, it simply means that no matter what he did, he never turned from protagonist to antagonist. He was still the "hero," even after doing some despicable things.

Sionnach Glic · Post by **Sionnach Glic** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:08 pm

True. Though you could say the same of Janeway.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:09 pm

Rochey wrote:True. Though you could say the same of Janeway.

Yeah, but does "wrong" sub for "stupid" in that case?

Post by **Captain Seafort** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:14 pm

Rochey wrote:True. Though you could say the same of Janeway.

The key difference there was that Janeway was a pretty consistent incompetant psychopath, whereas Sisko was largely competant. He also didn't go down the morally ambiguous (or downright criminal route) unless things got very personnal (as with Eddington, and tricking the Romulans into the Dominion War).

Post by **Tsukiyumi** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:25 pm

Which brings up the interesting question of: " What would Sisko have done in Janeway's place?"

I like to believe he would've recalled the existance of timed explosives.

Post by **Mikey** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 4:28 pm