Earth Ships

Earth Ships

Postby McAvoy » Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:16 am

Something that bothered me for a while. Is the Protmetheus and Daedalus class Earth ships. While I do enjoy the fact that these ships are no larger than a Nimitz class carrier and there are few of them. It's how and where they are built.

However, the US's aircraft carriers cost billions of dollars and takes years to be built. That's a ship that floats on water and realistically simple in comparison to a starship. While we know that much of technology comes from Asgard and backwards engineered from those acquired from the Stargate. But realistically for such a top secret project, it should take much longer to build such a ship. it took two years and several billion dollars to build the Prometheus. While the dollar figure is somewhat realistic, the two years isn't. I would believe this figure if we were talking about building a aircraft carrier under war time. But not for Earth's first starship.

The Daedalus class seems to be about the same also. Taking about two or so years to be built, that they're being built in numbers. For example, the Odyssey was probably built right around the same time as the Deadalus. In time to replace the Prometheus.

We know of six ships. It seems to me that they are built in pairs. Give or take. But where are they built? Having the Prometheus built underground is fine and all if you can keep it under wraps but having multiple ships rising from the ground like that, well is begging to be caught.

I do liked how they were originally inferior to all the powers. I think the Asgard technology in the Unending kind of made them too powerful. The Asgard ship in Camelot (which should be a better ship to a Daedalus class because they are built with the technology in mind) was no match for the Ori. That ship should have at least destroyed even one Ori ship. But I guess a Asgard upgraded Daedalus class ship is superior. Perhaps the bAsgard beam tehcnology is a new technology designed to fight against the Ori. That makes sense since the beam technology was never seen before. Asgard energy weapons look like energy bolts.

So we got:

USS Prometheus: SG-1 S06E11 "Prometheus" 2002
USS Daedalus: SGA S02E01 "The Siege Part 3" 2005
USS Odessey: SG-1 S09E16 "Off the Grid" 2006
RFS Korolev: SG-1 S09E19 "Crusade" 2006
USS Apollo: SGA S03E20 "First Strike" 2007
Sun Tzu: SGA S05E19 "Enemy at the Gate" 2009
USS George Hammond First mentioned in Enemy at the Gate as being under contruction. Showed up in the season premier in Universe. Both 2009.

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Re: Earth Ships

Postby Deepcrush » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:25 am

The Prometheus was hand built but the others came after we gained the Asgard beaming technology and gained the support of Russia, China and England. Its likely that all those later gains allowed the building of the following ships.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby McAvoy » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:45 am

Actually it was planned to build seven more Prometheus's. I guess the gain of additional technology and the failure of the original hyperdrive forced them to change the design.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby Deepcrush » Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:59 am

McAvoy wrote:Actually it was planned to build seven more Prometheus's. I guess the gain of additional technology and the failure of the original hyperdrive forced them to change the design.


Maybe not forced them to change but allowed them to upgrade to a new and improved design.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby McAvoy » Sun Aug 08, 2010 6:41 pm

I think so too. I believe it was when the Asgard starting installing their technology into the Prometheus. Prior to that it was backwards engineered technology they collected over the years.

That and I read somewhere a few people theorized that the Asgard technology isn't really being used to their full power due to limitations in Earth design. The fact a ZPM can boost hyperdrive and shields for example. Asgard have shown to travel between galaxies in a matter of hours.

Alos have to wonder if the Asgard trained personnel on how to maintain their technologies as well or did they leave a manual? The new Daedalus class ships built after the extinction of the Asgards would have to have the humans building the Asgard technology themselves.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby Deepcrush » Sun Aug 08, 2010 10:15 pm

McAvoy wrote:I think so too. I believe it was when the Asgard starting installing their technology into the Prometheus. Prior to that it was backwards engineered technology they collected over the years.


Which would be a major issue as most of the tech they've picked up wouldn't be designed to work with other random tech. The Asgard gave them a crystal clear starting point which the SGC never had before.

McAvoy wrote:That and I read somewhere a few people theorized that the Asgard technology isn't really being used to their full power due to limitations in Earth design.


Not by humans at least, the Asgard up until their end never allowed humans full access to their systems and often assigned an Asgard to control said systems.

McAvoy wrote:The fact a ZPM can boost hyperdrive and shields for example. Asgard have shown to travel between galaxies in a matter of hours.


The Asgard seemed to be able to make their own ZPM styled generators which would be a serious boost to the SGC's plans.

McAvoy wrote:Alos have to wonder if the Asgard trained personnel on how to maintain their technologies as well or did they leave a manual? The new Daedalus class ships built after the extinction of the Asgards would have to have the humans building the Asgard technology themselves.


I don't think so since the Asgard used systems meant to do the work for them. Most Asgard ships, even warships, only had a few personnel onboard. Their auto-controls took care of most problems for them. In this the humans still don't have to really worry about building Asgard tech, just replicating it.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby Reliant121 » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:57 am

Given humanities annoying tendency toward infectious curiosity, It wouldn't take long for scientists to start picking away at the Asgard technology.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby Deepcrush » Mon Aug 09, 2010 4:04 pm

Reliant121 wrote:Given humanities annoying tendency toward infectious curiosity, It wouldn't take long for scientists to start picking away at the Asgard technology.


Of course not, but then again the Asgard gave them that big data core to deal with just that.
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby McAvoy » Mon Aug 09, 2010 7:22 pm

Deepcrush wrote:
McAvoy wrote:I think so too. I believe it was when the Asgard starting installing their technology into the Prometheus. Prior to that it was backwards engineered technology they collected over the years.


Which would be a major issue as most of the tech they've picked up wouldn't be designed to work with other random tech. The Asgard gave them a crystal clear starting point which the SGC never had before.

McAvoy wrote:That and I read somewhere a few people theorized that the Asgard technology isn't really being used to their full power due to limitations in Earth design.


Not by humans at least, the Asgard up until their end never allowed humans full access to their systems and often assigned an Asgard to control said systems.

McAvoy wrote:The fact a ZPM can boost hyperdrive and shields for example. Asgard have shown to travel between galaxies in a matter of hours.


The Asgard seemed to be able to make their own ZPM styled generators which would be a serious boost to the SGC's plans.

McAvoy wrote:Alos have to wonder if the Asgard trained personnel on how to maintain their technologies as well or did they leave a manual? The new Daedalus class ships built after the extinction of the Asgards would have to have the humans building the Asgard technology themselves.


I don't think so since the Asgard used systems meant to do the work for them. Most Asgard ships, even warships, only had a few personnel onboard. Their auto-controls took care of most problems for them. In this the humans still don't have to really worry about building Asgard tech, just replicating it.


Generally I agree. The biggest problem is that if they just copy Asgard technology it still leaves the question if they fully understand it to fix it if something goes wrong. Obviously super geniuses like Carter and McKay can handle that but what about Airman John Doe?
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Re: Earth Ships

Postby Deepcrush » Tue Aug 10, 2010 3:57 am

McAvoy wrote:Generally I agree. The biggest problem is that if they just copy Asgard technology it still leaves the question if they fully understand it to fix it if something goes wrong. Obviously super geniuses like Carter and McKay can handle that but what about Airman John Doe?


If the Human's can't fix it, then they can just let the Asgard auto-systems do it for them.
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