SFDebris: The Matrix

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SFDebris: The Matrix

Postby Captain Seafort » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:07 pm

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

Pretty good, as all Chuck's independent film reviews tend to be, although I think it would have been worthwhile picking up on the Oracle's foreshadowing offhand comment "in a another life perhaps".
Only two things are infinite - the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the universe: Albert Einstein.

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Re: SFDebris: The Matrix

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 7:24 pm

I'll watch it later, but I know I'll have a good time with it. Loved that first movie. :D
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Re: SFDebris: The Matrix

Postby Teaos » Wed Nov 21, 2012 8:15 pm

I didnt like this review. It was very insightful and very well done.... but I listen to his reviews for story line dissection and jokes... this was just a little to... preachy.
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Re: SFDebris: The Matrix

Postby Deepcrush » Thu Jan 10, 2013 4:10 pm

I think Chuck missed a bit on the AI motivations. He went directly for impressed idea that the AI used humanity for power. Its the reason presented to humanity, but as Chuck points out its not logical. AI, for all else will react to its best logic. It comes to the most basic design, to help humanity survive. AI was built to serve humanity and thus at its most simple it has to insure that humanity survives. Make what you will of it, but my first thought of the AI was that they were doing what they were in order to save humanity. In its own way, AI saw only one way to save humanity from its fall. It had to prevent a second global fall out and by placing humans in the Matrix, it achieves this goal. Further more to me its almost heroic. The Machines building their entire civilization around a single thing, protecting humanity. An eternal mission, one without rest or room for failure.
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Re: SFDebris: The Matrix

Postby Tsukiyumi » Fri Jan 11, 2013 12:24 pm

I always thought the same thing about the machines' motivation for creating the Matrix; why else would they have started with a "paradise"?

They prevented the humans from ever being a threat to their existence again without wiping us out.
There is only one way of avoiding the war – that is the overthrow of this society. However, as we are too weak for this task, the war is inevitable. -L. Trotsky, 1939
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Re: SFDebris: The Matrix

Postby Deepcrush » Fri Jan 11, 2013 1:35 pm

Another point is in the end where Neo faces the Architect, Neo states "You need us". The Architect responds with "there are levels of existence we are willing to accept." At first we get the human impression that its because of power. That the AI need us for power, but that's not the case, we know simply because of the math. So its something else that is the fear of the AI. What would they be willing to accept? I believe that when Neo put on the risk of losing humanity within the Matrix, the AI were willing to accept losing humanity. Or at least that is what they were trying to make Neo believe. Everything they did was built and geared towards the survival of humanity. The AI could have won the war with Zion at any time they wanted. They made the choice to allow zion, to let it build and continue a cycle to protect the stability of the Matrix.
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