SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

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SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby Tholian_Avenger » Sat Mar 17, 2012 3:37 pm

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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby katefan » Sun Mar 18, 2012 6:52 am

This two parter may have been the only Enterprise episodes that I truly liked. Granted, I stopped watching some time during season three (the Xindi were pure ass) and coming back during season four only supported my decision so there are gaps, but of what I did see 'Darkly was the most fun.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby Tholian_Avenger » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:47 pm

After I watched this episode, I concluded that the people in the Mirror Verse weren't crazy, just evil. Thus, Real Archer actually argues with himself because he is actually crazy. Why couldn't they do a story where the captain was crazy? This didn't have to be another 'everybody's perfect' show!
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby McAvoy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:58 pm

I agree with Chuck early in a video in that while the episode was not perfect but at least the writers are trying.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby stitch626 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:21 am

The mirror universe, where good is evil, and evil is... stupid.

Thank you Chuck.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby McAvoy » Sat Mar 31, 2012 4:27 am

Love the Spaceballs reference.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby Tsukiyumi » Sat Mar 31, 2012 6:09 am

McAvoy wrote:Love the Spaceballs reference.


I use that quote in real life more frequently than I'd like. :lol:
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:44 pm

You know... it's just, I never liked DSN's take on the mirror universe. These two episodes show why, since it's so much crazier and reflected and... excuse me. I have to go look some words up or something... *Walks away muttering*
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby Graham Kennedy » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:23 pm

DS9 missed the entire point of the Mirror Universe, IMO. The Mirror Universe is meant to be a place where the good guys are evil. That's it, that's the whole reason for looking at it.

DS9 Mirror Universe characters are basically the same people as they are in our universe. They're in a different situation, which makes them a bit more desperate and a bit more grumpy... but basically, apart from Kira, any DS9 mirror character is the same person. Oh, except that the women are all gay or bi, for some weird reason.

I can't watch any of the DS9 mirror eps without just being sad at the wasted opportunity.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:33 pm

Perfect, Graham. I hate you, now. ;)

yeah, I want Sisko with an eyepatch as dictator of Bajor, a noble Dukat who has a kitten for a pet, Data as a terminator, and all that.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby katefan » Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:17 am

GrahamKennedy wrote:DS9 missed the entire point of the Mirror Universe, IMO. The Mirror Universe is meant to be a place where the good guys are evil. That's it, that's the whole reason for looking at it.

DS9 Mirror Universe characters are basically the same people as they are in our universe. They're in a different situation, which makes them a bit more desperate and a bit more grumpy... but basically, apart from Kira, any DS9 mirror character is the same person. Oh, except that the women are all gay or bi, for some weird reason.

I can't watch any of the DS9 mirror eps without just being sad at the wasted opportunity.


I thought I was the only person who felt this way. I always hated the DS9 Mirror Universe episodes for the exact same reason you do. I think the only person who wrote a good M/U story outside of the TOS episode was Diane Duane when she penned Dark Mirror. She did a wonderful job portraying the evil TNG crew.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby Mikey » Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:52 am

Agreed here as well. For everything that DS9 did wonderfully, the MU wasn't one of them. As GK mentioned, you could take any "real" universe character, put them in the same situation as his MU counterpart, and come up with the exact same person. Maybe Dax' or Kira's latent tendencies wouldn't have expressed themselves so readily, but that's a trifle.
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Re: SFDebris: In A Mirror, Darkly (Part 1)

Postby RK_Striker_JK_5 » Mon Apr 02, 2012 8:54 pm

Well, can't do everything right. ;) But yeah, in this regard, they dropped the ball.
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