Re: Enterprise-which timeline?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:57 pm
I also liked seasons 3 and 4. Especially 4, but at least 3 had a plot arc.
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No, it doesn't. That's what some people are interpreting it to depict.Captain Seafort wrote:I'm pretty sure that making the Kelvin part of a completely separate universe prior to Nero's arrival wasn't what Abrams had in mind either. Nonetheless, that's what the film depicts.
The Kelvin was a big ship. But there's absolutely nothing I know of in TOS to say that there are no ships larger than the Connies. As for power, how can we possibly compare? Kelvin had more and different weapons but we haven't a clue how they stack up in terms of power, range, accuracy, etc.Lt. Staplic wrote: For all the flaws in executions, certain advancements and differences in size and power were only there because of OOC reasons.
It's not just the Kelvin, it's the neoE - she's as big or bigger than a GCS, a ship whose size Picard was "in awe of" over a century later. There's no way in hell that that change came about as a result of the Kelvin's single encounter with the Narada.GrahamKennedy wrote:The Kelvin was a big ship. But there's absolutely nothing I know of in TOS to say that there are no ships larger than the Connies. As for power, how can we possibly compare? Kelvin had more and different weapons but we haven't a clue how they stack up in terms of power, range, accuracy, etc.
Him and me and you and a lot of other people, Mark. Heck, the split might've started in 'Tomorrow is Yesterday', if we wanna go deep.Mark wrote:I agree with Chief O'Brian.
"I hate temporal mechanics."
Which, as I said, is purely a fan interpretation. There's nothing at all in canon to support the idea.Captain Seafort wrote:It's not just the Kelvin, it's the neoE - she's as big or bigger than a GCS, a ship whose size Picard was "in awe of" over a century later. There's no way in hell that that change came about as a result of the Kelvin's single encounter with the Narada.
Saying something is big or that you are "in awe" of how big it is really doesn't at all mean the same thing as "it's the biggest". I can walk up to a car, a building, a ship, and say "Wow, that's big" and in no way does it mean it's the biggest I've ever seen, let alone the biggest ever built.Captain Seafort wrote:It's about as canon as you're going to get - far more so than any of the various PT/phaser/shield calcs that get thrown around. On top of that, Chekov was highly impressed by the size of the Excelsior, a ship considerably smaller than the neo-E. Do you think a power in the middle of a major arms race is going to hold back from building the biggest, most powerful ship it can?
If you or I said that, it would be true. If a professional naval officer with several decades command experience proclaims himself to be in awe of the size of a warship, you can safely say that said warship is something exceptional.GrahamKennedy wrote:I can walk up to a car, a building, a ship, and say "Wow, that's big" and in no way does it mean it's the biggest I've ever seen, let alone the biggest ever built.
They also never explicitly answered any of the other questions that we've discussed and answered on this forum over the past four years and which you've been doing since DITL started. It isn't necessary. All that's necessary is that the answer is consistent with all canon facts and, wherever possible, reality. If we restricted ourselves to only considering absolutist statements then this forum would be very boring.The question is whether it is established in canon or not. And it is not. It's really that simple - they never say "this is the biggest ship" and so it's not canon that it is.
No, you can't. All you can safely say is that he thinks it's a big ship. Not "the biggest" ship.Captain Seafort wrote:If you or I said that, it would be true. If a professional naval officer with several decades command experience proclaims himself to be in awe of the size of a warship, you can safely say that said warship is something exceptional.
It is necessary if you are going to declare things to be canonical. By all means speculate as much as you like - I do all the time. It's entertaining and all that. But when you decide that your speculation is so convincing to you that it's actually canon, you've taken a step that's not justified.They also never explicitly answered any of the other questions that we've discussed and answered on this forum over the past four years and which you've been doing since DITL started. It isn't necessary.