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Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby LaughingCheese » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:43 pm

In my previous thread I mentioned the Enterprise Borg episode, which got me to thinking:

Could Ent be the alternate timeline/universe created in First Contact?

If so, did that alternate timeline continue till STXI?
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Sonic Glitch » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:51 pm

LaughingCheese wrote:In my previous thread I mentioned the Enterprise Borg episode, which got me to thinking:

Could Ent be the alternate timeline/universe created in First Contact?

If so, did that alternate timeline continue till STXI?

I have the strangest feeling that's been brought up before -- but I like that idea much better than accepting Enterprise as part of established canon and accepting the destruction of the Kelvin as the point of divergence in nuTrek.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby LaughingCheese » Mon Apr 26, 2010 5:57 pm

Sonic Glitch wrote:
LaughingCheese wrote:In my previous thread I mentioned the Enterprise Borg episode, which got me to thinking:

Could Ent be the alternate timeline/universe created in First Contact?

If so, did that alternate timeline continue till STXI?

I have the strangest feeling that's been brought up before -- but I like that idea much better than accepting Enterprise as part of established canon and accepting the destruction of the Kelvin as the point of divergence in nuTrek.


Oh, it probably has been, but I haven't been involved in all of those discussions, the idea actually just occurred to me. :mrgreen:

Ok, so nTrek was normal Trek until the emergence of the Narada and the Kelvin was destroyed?

(Technically, the point of divergence wouldn't be so much the battle but the emergence of Narada into nTrek's univierse. Just a nit though...)
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Sionnach Glic » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:09 pm

Regarding ENT, I've always considered it an alternate timeline. It may very well be the one from First Contact, which would sort out the inconsistancies nicely.

Regarding nTrek, there's some evidence to suggest, based on the Kelvin, that the point of divergence occurred quite a bit before the point where the Narada appearred. Perosnaly I like to just consider it a completely alternate universe, rather than one which stemmed from the original timeline.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Mikey » Mon Apr 26, 2010 6:26 pm

Sionnach Glic wrote:It may very well be the one from First Contact, which would sort out the inconsistancies nicely.


This idea would certainly help one wrap his brain around all the otherwise-idiotic canon-trampling that ENT represented.

Or, the ENT-verse might very well be a reality which Christian tehology terms "hell."
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Sionnach Glic » Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:03 pm

Proof that you don't need fire, brimstone and pitchforks up the arse to cause intense suffering.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Mark » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:36 pm

Seafort and I kicked this around a few times.

My theory was that First Contact was the point of divergence from the original time line.

Hence

First Contact directly led to Enterprise, which led into the Abramsverse.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Sionnach Glic » Tue Apr 27, 2010 1:08 pm

I'd still rather not associate ENT with STXI. :wink:
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Sonic Glitch » Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:35 pm

Sionnach Glic wrote:I'd still rather not associate ENT with STXI anything. :wink:
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby LaughingCheese » Tue Apr 27, 2010 7:35 pm

Sonic Glitch wrote:
Sionnach Glic wrote:I'd still rather not associate ENT with STXI anything. :wink:


lol

I'm not sure which is more tempting; to use Ent as a springboard to Abramsverse or just toss it out the window entirely. :p


Though I admit I liked some episodes and even thought the temporal cold war was a cool story arc.

Enterprises main problem wasn't necessarily story I think, it was execution. And all the plotholes and cannon inconsistencies. :P



Man, I can't believe this thread got more attention than my other one! I guess no one wants to touch Ent. :D


I wasn't talking about Ent though, but a similar kind of origins story, with the main emphasis being more primitive tech (not downgraded 24th century tech), but that would still lead up to the formation of the Federation.

And, there should be more back story about the Vulcans interaction with Starfleet; were they really holding them back technologically or guiding us along?


Also perhaps there could be a miniseries prequel to the new series set in the latter years of the 21st century and mankinds first interaction with aliens. Perhaps this is what unites the world? Along with relatively cheap, clean energy produced by the new antimatter reactors, allows humanity to focus on exploration instead of fighting each other, and hence, Starfleet is formed.


Thoughts? Those were going to be my main points in the other thread, which no one seemed to want to talk about. :D
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Tiberius » Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:16 am

LaughingCheese wrote:In my previous thread I mentioned the Enterprise Borg episode, which got me to thinking:

Could Ent be the alternate timeline/universe created in First Contact?

If so, did that alternate timeline continue till STXI?


can't be. First Contact didn't create an alternate timeline.

If it did, then all of trek has been set in that alternate timeline. In Year of Hell, Seven mentions that the Borg were involved with the events surrounding first contact. If the Borg being there created an alternate timeline, how could Seven possibly be aware of it?

The only explanation is that ent and Vgr are in the same timeline. By extension, all of Trek has been in that timeline.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Mikey » Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:10 pm

This still begs the question: how were the Borg encountered in ENT but unknown as of TNG?
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Lt. Staplic » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:31 pm

Is it possible that those records were 'lost' when Earth starfleet transferred to Federation Starfleet. Enterprise was really the only ship that has any sensor readings/saw the Borg. It's not inconceivable that, that one interaction was lost either to time or from importance.

If we have a minimum of 5 different space/military agencies unifying, it's likely most if not all of them would see that report as useless considering many of them had no contact with them, it had happened years before and nothing even remotely close had happened since, and the ship was destroyed to boot. It may simply have been left out or burried deep in the archives of SF memory where no one ever looks, including DATA.

Another possibility I just though of, was that SF had no idea what the cube was, we never find out if they were able to recognize the species once they were on board and came back. The Cube was something that ENT didn't see...just the drones, so it may have taken someone to go over see them then log their report to get a match to the ENT event.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Mikey » Wed Apr 28, 2010 2:40 pm

That's rather a stretch. The FC contamination I could see being invisible in the future, as Lily was the only "native" to have encountered them. But the Andorians and Vulcans, expecially, would greedily pore over any reference in Earth Starfleet records once the UFP was founded - the more agencies involved in forming the new UFP/Starfleet, the mroe interest would be paid to those records, not less.
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Re: Is Ent a parallel universe?

Postby Sionnach Glic » Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:21 pm

Indeed. And a bunch like the Borg turning up would certainly raise more than a few eyebrows.

There's always the possibility that the records were lost due to war. With no sightings of the Borg since the first encounter in ENT, Earth considered the Borg to be of no importance. When an enemy attack wrecked some important starbase or administration centre, the records were lost. With such a low priority given to them, it's quite possible that there was no real care taken to ensure the safety of any backup copies of the records.
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