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lol! i would have liked the cardies to have had some slight diversity but i suppose their rigid authoritarianism would have suppressed that.
Even the rommies in the new movie apparently have multiple dialects
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I think it would be a tremendous task to try to replicate the level of diversity found on Earth, but I think you could maybe try to get at least the level of cultural and linguistic diversity on one of our continents - e.g. Africa, or the pre-contact Americas. I might be able to buy the idea of the Romulans all speaking one language (with dialects) because of their pioneer history, but the older worlds should definitely have multiple languages.
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Mikey wrote:That would make sense; however, the war has been referred to as "The Earth-Romulan War," not the "Alliance-Romulan War," or the "Quadrant War," or anything like that. It would follow that Earth was the vastly major, if not only, player on its side.
Forgive the 10 month old response but the French-Indian War wasn't just with the French and the Indians and they didn't even fight each other :P Just because it was the Earth-Romulan War doesn't mean that it was only between Earth and Romulus.
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KuvahMagh wrote:Honestly, the way I see it is this.

The Romulans were involved in another conflict, what scale or nature this may be is a mystery, with another nearby race, say the Klingons for arguments sake. Then they manage to tick off Earth, maybe they attack an Earth Convoy without warning and the situation deteriorates into a small scale War, maybe they cut off an Earther's ear and when the tale was told Earth rallied around him and forced the government to declare war even though they had no real hope of victory. Anyways, so the Romulans find themselves fighting on 2 fronts as it were, they do it for a while but eventually the 2 conflicts at once start to wear them down and they offer a peace deal that is too good to be rejected, Earth gets security while giving up little since of the two they were the minor power while the Romulans get out of fighting a 2 front war.

Its entirely possible that the Romulans managed to tick off another race, such as the Klingons, through their subversive tactics.
I like this theory. Similar to the War of 1812. The British were pretty heavily occupied with that tiny French thing going on in Europe still.
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Monroe wrote:
KuvahMagh wrote:Honestly, the way I see it is this.

The Romulans were involved in another conflict, what scale or nature this may be is a mystery, with another nearby race, say the Klingons for arguments sake. Then they manage to tick off Earth, maybe they attack an Earth Convoy without warning and the situation deteriorates into a small scale War, maybe they cut off an Earther's ear and when the tale was told Earth rallied around him and forced the government to declare war even though they had no real hope of victory. Anyways, so the Romulans find themselves fighting on 2 fronts as it were, they do it for a while but eventually the 2 conflicts at once start to wear them down and they offer a peace deal that is too good to be rejected, Earth gets security while giving up little since of the two they were the minor power while the Romulans get out of fighting a 2 front war.

Its entirely possible that the Romulans managed to tick off another race, such as the Klingons, through their subversive tactics.
I like this theory. Similar to the War of 1812. The British were pretty heavily occupied with that tiny French thing going on in Europe still.
:lol: Napoleon :france: tiny French thing :laughroll: . Sorry, silly mood over! This would show that while Earth may not be able to best that bully two blocks over it is capable of talking him down. That coupled with the Vulcan Andorian unpleasantness being resolved by little old Earth means that the local powers could see Earth as the unifying force. Alliance makes more sense and our little buddy here can organize it.
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Monroe wrote:
Mikey wrote:That would make sense; however, the war has been referred to as "The Earth-Romulan War," not the "Alliance-Romulan War," or the "Quadrant War," or anything like that. It would follow that Earth was the vastly major, if not only, player on its side.
Forgive the 10 month old response but the French-Indian War wasn't just with the French and the Indians and they didn't even fight each other :P Just because it was the Earth-Romulan War doesn't mean that it was only between Earth and Romulus.
Really? I thought the French and Indian War was between the French and the Indians.






No, I'm kidding. That example has been brought up before, and it turns out to be a bad analogy. The French and Indian War is only called that by Americans - i.e., the people who fought against the French and Indians. If that analogy were to hold up, then humans wouldn't be referring to the "Earth-Romulan War;" they'd just call it the "Romulan War."
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Yeah I know. Normally it was called the Seven Years war. But the point is still valid. Sometimes the names of Wars don't always depict who all is involved.
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I still can't think of any war at all in which the naming convention used by a participant includes that participant. Inside the US, we don't call the Civil War "the American Civil War," or the Viet Nam "war" the "US-Viet Nam War."
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Mikey wrote:I still can't think of any war at all in which the naming convention used by a participant includes that participant. Inside the US, we don't call the Civil War "the American Civil War," or the Viet Nam "war" the "US-Viet Nam War."
But we usually call it the Mexican-American War. ;)
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OK, there's one. Why is that, I wonder.

Now that I'm thinking of it, there was also the Spanish-American War.

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And then there's the Korean War, which involved pretty much everyone, just it was fought mostly in Korea.
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Now that I'm thinking of it, there was also the Spanish-American War.
The war fought between the Empire of Spain and the United States? Seems to fit.
stitch626 wrote:And then there's the Korean War, which involved pretty much everyone, just it was fought mostly in Korea.
That war was named for where it was fought... ie Korea.
Monroe wrote:But we usually call it the Mexican-American War.
Was between Mexico and the US.

There are some fair ideas out there but as it all still stands. The Earth-Romulan War was between Earth and the Romulans. I'm not sure why people are having a hard time with this?
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You're missing the point why it was brought up. Someone said that usually wars don't mention the people retelling the story in the war title. But our examples prove they do.

The Earth-Romulan War doesn't have to just be between Earth and Romulus just like the French-Indian War wasn't between the French and the Indians.
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Ummm, the French-Indian War was what the colonies called the 7 Years War. One, because it lasted a shit load longer then 7 years. Two, because that's who they were fighting against. By your reason then it was Earth-Romulan War because Earth and Romulas teamed up against Vulcan... No.
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Deepcrush wrote:Ummm, the French-Indian War was what the colonies called the 7 Years War. One, because it lasted a s**t load longer then 7 years. Two, because that's who they were fighting against. By your reason then it was Earth-Romulan War because Earth and Romulas teamed up against Vulcan... No.
You're missing the point :P The point is that the names of wars aren't always completely accurate of the participants.
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