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You know, I always thought Worf should have been brought onto the show as the Captain of the Defiant.

First, let's face it, "Chief of Strategic Operations" is a non-job. It's so obviously a non-job that they even had a scene where people on the show mocked his job to his face. Giving him the Defiant gives him a clear role in the show.

Second, Worf's been on the Enterprise for eight whole years by the time he makes his move to DS9. It's easily time for him to be moving on and up to his own command.

Third, can you think of a better ship for Worf to command? He's Big Warrior Guy, the Defiant is perfect for him! Not to mention, as a small ship it would be a natural choice for a person's first command.

You could still have Sisko go along when he wants to, as the mission commander - much as Admiral Jameson commanded the mission whilst Picard commanded the ship in Too Short a Season. But it just seems like it would make sense.
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While I think that would have been a first-rate idea, GK, it sort of flies in the face of the idea of the Defiant being Sisko's plaything/mid-life-crisis red convertible.
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Teaos wrote:The issue is, she wouldnt be trained in Federation Starship opperations, rules, attack patterns ect. She was a resistance fighter, not a command officer.

Also much of the information she would need would be highly classified.
Well, in the 24th century, 16 year olds have the ability to cold-recall levels of physics that nearly no one alive today can even comprehend... and then program a computer to alter those physics by only pushing 4 or 5 unlabeled buttons a few times.

The training and learning curve in the 24th century seems to be quite short. She probably could have learned Federation Starship operations, rules, etc while drinking her orange juice that morning.
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Graham Kennedy wrote:You know, I always thought Worf should have been brought onto the show as the Captain of the Defiant.

First, let's face it, "Chief of Strategic Operations" is a non-job. It's so obviously a non-job that they even had a scene where people on the show mocked his job to his face. Giving him the Defiant gives him a clear role in the show.

Second, Worf's been on the Enterprise for eight whole years by the time he makes his move to DS9. It's easily time for him to be moving on and up to his own command.

Third, can you think of a better ship for Worf to command? He's Big Warrior Guy, the Defiant is perfect for him! Not to mention, as a small ship it would be a natural choice for a person's first command.

You could still have Sisko go along when he wants to, as the mission commander - much as Admiral Jameson commanded the mission whilst Picard commanded the ship in Too Short a Season. But it just seems like it would make sense.
Agreed, Sisko should have been promoted to Captain with the assignment to DS9, then brevetted to Commodore for the war effort. I think Starfleet should have sent a replacement for Eddington too.
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Technically Commodore is an old title. But maybe the 24th century resurrected it. But from what I remember it is the equivalent of Rear Admiral Lower Class.

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Yep
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Would have been a quick jump from Captain to Commordore, Although Janeway went from Captain to 3 star in like 4 years.
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McAvoy wrote:Technically Commodore is an old title. But maybe the 24th century resurrected it. But from what I remember it is the equivalent of Rear Admiral Lower Class.

Basically Starfleet is an old world version of a fictional sailing fleet.
Commodore today is a rank in its own right, rather than an appointment, or the junior 50% of Rear Admirals. Starfleet has had the rank since Kirk's day - both Matt Decker (The Doomsday Machine) and Robert Wesley (The Ultimate Computer) were Commodores.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
McAvoy wrote:Technically Commodore is an old title. But maybe the 24th century resurrected it. But from what I remember it is the equivalent of Rear Admiral Lower Class.

Basically Starfleet is an old world version of a fictional sailing fleet.
Commodore today is a rank in its own right, rather than an appointment, or the junior 50% of Rear Admirals. Starfleet has had the rank since Kirk's day - both Matt Decker (The Doomsday Machine) and Robert Wesley (The Ultimate Computer) were Commodores.
But the rank is never heard again in TNG. It is completely possible the rank was phased out in favor of Rear Admiral - Lower Half.
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Sonic Glitch wrote:But the rank is never heard again in TNG. It is completely possible the rank was phased out in favor of Rear Admiral - Lower Half.
Indeed. It's also possible that the rank was phased out in favour of "Grand Poobah of the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes", but there's about as much evidence of that as "Rear Admiral lower half".
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Captain Seafort wrote:Indeed. It's also possible that the rank was phased out in favour of "Grand Poobah of the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes"
I'd give good money to see an officer with that rank on the Enterprise-D. Especially if they were to have people say it out loud at every possible opportunity during the episode.
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Graham Kennedy wrote:I'd give good money to see an officer with that rank on the Enterprise-D. Especially if they were to have people say it out loud at every possible opportunity during the episode.
I doubt it would last. Some 6-star admiral would probably take the rank off them after a week. :P
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Sonic Glitch wrote:But the rank is never heard again in TNG. It is completely possible the rank was phased out in favor of Rear Admiral - Lower Half.
Indeed. It's also possible that the rank was phased out in favour of "Grand Poobah of the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes", but there's about as much evidence of that as "Rear Admiral lower half".
Actually any evidence of a lower Rear Admiral would be seen on their uniform.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Graham Kennedy wrote:I'd give good money to see an officer with that rank on the Enterprise-D. Especially if they were to have people say it out loud at every possible opportunity during the episode.
I doubt it would last. Some 6-star admiral would probably take the rank off them after a week. :P
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You say deranged like it's a bad thing.
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