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Captain Seafort wrote:
GrahamKennedy wrote:And we were told that the reason for this was that 8472 has special cells or some damn thing that made any adaption to anything they did impossible.
No, we were told that they had an extremely powerful immune system that meant they couldn't be assimilated. Their combat effectiveness, both ship-to-ship and hand-to-hand, was down to BF&BI.
Ah, right. My apologies.

Well in any case, there's no reason they couldn't shield against physical attacks if they wished. So I would presume that what we saw was one of very few physical attacks 8472 came out and the Borg never bothered.
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Teaos wrote:8472 were special.
Because their immune system destroyed nanoprobes (and pretty much anything else) and their ships had enough BF&BI to take on a cube. Not because their punches had any magical shield-penetrating properties.
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Question is, how easy is it to kill a Borg with a bladed weapon? It's not a zombie, brain trauma doesn't guarantee a Borg is dead. The only instance of a Borg being killed with a bladed weapon I can think of was by Worf in ST:FC. He severed an arm and then dug his knife in the neck of a drone, seemingly killing it. Maybe he only paralyzed it? One could hobble or incapacitate a Borg with bladed weapons, but would killing them easy?
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Yanking tubes from it seem to kill or disable them sometimes, so several swipes around the head and neck should drop one.

But how many swipes do you get before the tube you...
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You would think Borg would be pretty damn hard to kill but it seems to be not the case.
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Borg arent designed to be melee warriors.
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Teaos wrote:Borg arent designed to be melee warriors.
One shot kills with phasers and pulling tubes disables them. A neck slice kills them. You would think with all of those artificial enhancements they would be harder to kill because of a secondary heart, extra armor, extra redundancy, etc.
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McAvoy wrote:One shot kills with phasers and pulling tubes disables them. A neck slice kills them. You would think with all of those artificial enhancements they would be harder to kill because of a secondary heart, extra armor, extra redundancy, etc.
That's not the way the Borg think through - their redundancy comes in that for every drone you shoot down two more will take its place.
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That makes sense but we are still talking about mechanical humanoid beings that should be able to withstand more punishment. Both ability to adapt and be durable at the same time.
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Also even if you "kill" a droid, assuming they win in the end, I think they can reactivate and bring it back assuming you didnt totally destroy it.
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McAvoy wrote:That makes sense but we are still talking about mechanical humanoid beings that should be able to withstand more punishment. Both ability to adapt and be durable at the same time.
I don't think "should" is the right word so much as "could". Sure, the Borg have the technology to make their drones a lot tougher than they are, but at the individual level (irony not intended) they prefer quantity over quality.
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That was my point. They certain have the technology to make their drones tougher than they do now.
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When did the Borg assimilating people on the spot first happen in Trek? First Contact? In TNG it looked like they physically added implants to humanoid body - such that Picard was able to be restored by simply removing the implants again.
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