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Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 5:35 am
by sunnyside
So I happened to see the episode "Blood Oath" again and was struck that they completely avoided putting any blood on any of the weapons. To some degree they'd tend to hit the incompetent guards with glancing blows to the helmet. But there were plenty of attacks that should have been quite messy.

The thing is that I didn't notice it the first time around. Does that tend to be the way things go in the series and I just haven't been looking, or were they just a bit cheap with the special effects that time around? I suppose in most episodes it wouldn't come up even if there were a lot of fighting due to how clean Trek energy weapons are, it'd only be the occasional quick stabbing and the TR-116 ( I remember they had a little blood in that one, though in an after the fact sort of way).

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 8:17 am
by Griffin
I'd imagine that's down to censorship laws and what you can and can't show in the time slot it was to be broadcast in more than anything.

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 4:16 pm
by McAvoy
Look at a lot of fight scenes in Trek. When it comes to bladed weapons it is pretty bloodless. Another good example is the episodes with the Iconian Gate and rebel Jem'Hadar.

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:18 am
by Tsukiyumi
Yeah, I'd say it was due more to limitations on what they could show on TV at the time. Now, you can show all sorts of blood and gore. Back then, in their time slot, I guess not.

Welcome back, sunny. :)

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 4:17 pm
by McAvoy
You also look at how pathetic the fight scenes are too. There are limitations on what you can do on TV whether censorship or budget.

It seems that the only two moves Kira knows is the elbow to stomach twist and slip and the double handed chop.

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:33 pm
by RK_Striker_JK_5
Well, everyone knows the double-handed chop. It goes back to Kirk's days. ;)

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 1:13 am
by McAvoy
Funny thing is that a double handed choose or punch is useless in a fight. It literally ties you up so you cannot defend yourself. That and it seems to be a waste of energy and motion for some added power if any to a blow.

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 4:43 pm
by sunnyside
Regarding the two handed stike. I wonder if its popularity has to do with it looking powerful and actually being able to push a stunt guy around, but since you're moving slow and spreading the impact over a wide surface area you aren't actually going to hurt anybody. Contrast that to, say, pooping someone in the nose which I think we either look really bad or cause an actual bloody nose every few takes.

Actually that might explain the most popular blow in this episode, which is the forward strike the the helmet that apparently knocks them out (though some guards might have just wanted an excuse to stay down instead of fighting :P ). On that note my impression was that Jadzia didn't actually kill anybody during that episode.

Tsukiyumi wrote:Yeah, I'd say it was due more to limitations on what they could show on TV at the time. Now, you can show all sorts of blood and gore. Back then, in their time slot, I guess not.

Welcome back, sunny. :)


Thanks, and I suppose you're right.

Re: Bloodless Blood Oath

PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:05 pm
by McAvoy
That is what I figured. It looks powerful but doesn't harm the extras or stunt people as much.

When it comes to blows, the follow through creates the most force. Which is why a hook punch hurts more than a jab.